Is it safe or was it safe where you live ?

[Grianan]

Terrorist would be hard pushed to find a plane at Prestwick

Sadly, Prestwick is a major refuelling point for military aircraft travelling between North America and the Middle East. Living under a flight path, you know when there is increased action ...

 

[ambulancekidd]

Being so cheerful 'as keeps thee going I 'spose !!

Being cheerful is very, very easy, death means no more pain & when that day comes (maybe its today lol) I'll be quite happy to slip my mortal coil.
In the meantime I want to carry on growing old disgracefully.

 

[ambulancekidd]

Sadly, Prestwick is a major refuelling point for military aircraft travelling between North America and the Middle East. Living under a flight path, you know when there is increased action ...

I was brought up on a farm right on the edge of Prestwick airport.
So very true, there are & always have been some pretty weird machines flying over, especially at night.
During the Guantanamo effort there were easily 5 or 6 aircraft passing over our house at night.

 

[Cat53]

Aberdeen is highly radioactive!

 

[MillieMoocher]

Not a nuclear threat but when this goes up, it’ll be “interesting”....especially for the new massive Thames Gateway port

SS Richard Montgomery - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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[ambulancekidd]

Aberdeen is highly radioactive!

Not to mention Radon gas floating around in the small spaces under the floors etc!!!

 

[ambulancekidd]

Not a nuclear threat but when this goes up, it’ll be “interesting”....especially for the new massive Thames Gateway port

SS Richard Montgomery - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sooner or later that old girl will go bang.
Our daughter lives in Clacton & I've warned her to be aware as there will be no warning.
Be one hell of a fireworks show though!

 

[TheBig1]

Not a nuclear threat but when this goes up, it’ll be “interesting”....especially for the new massive Thames Gateway port

SS Richard Montgomery - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

As you know, there are several in the channel with a couple close to Bournemouth and Poole. I often wonder if a fair sized storm ripped through the channel it could set a few off

 

[bigtwin]

I am close enough to Sizewell that I don't need to worry, if it went up so would I instantaneously and wouldn't see or hear it coming.

It a power station not a bloody nuclear bomb! ?

Ian

 

[pagey]

I live on the edge of Epping forest it's safe now dick Turpin has gone

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[GWAYGWAY]

Nuclear power is a victim of it's own success. For years they provided the ingredients for the type of nukes Dr. Strangelove endorsed, which tended to result in a lot of nuclear waste and inefficiency. Then they tend to develop cracks and leaks even without major accidents. As tens turned to hundreds turned to thousands the risk of accidente of course goes up y sheer numbers.

Chernobyl was 'operator error' on a reactor that was somewhat unforgiving to idiots (the others of that design were modified to make them more benign), Fukushima had many problems but at the end of the day was a flawed design with a known inadequate containment volume, even back when GE sold them to the Japanese.

There are no real terrorists, just government sanctioned attacks, so the UK is safe against a real attack and fairly safe against a false flag that may affect the establishment. So I'd be worried about general leaks from the aging rubbish these reactors now are rather than some John le Carre novel.

Having said that nuclear leaks used to be quite dangerous, but since the 1960s we've got so many more exciting toxins into the atmosphere, food and water that even a decent leak probably wouldn't change one's health to any noticeable degree.

Pass the Roundup Ready wholemeal loaf please so I can spread my hydrogenated sunflower spread and diet jam on it please (after brushing my teeth on fluoridated water with my super cool fluoride toothpaste).

Chernobyl Was arrenged to bring down the Soviet Union, same as 911 took the US to war with Iraq. The reactor fail was know to happen and would therefore bankrupt the USSR trying to make it safe. The 'Black' World government know how to do these things.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

I live on the edge of Epping forest it's safe now dick Turpin has gone

No he hasn't , he just works for HMRC now.

 

[thebriars]

Chernobyl was 'operator error' on a reactor that was somewhat unforgiving to idiots (the others of that design were modified to make them more benign), Fukushima had many problems but at the end of the day was a flawed design with a known inadequate containment volume, even back when GE sold them to the Japanese.

There are no real terrorists, just government sanctioned attacks, so the UK is safe against a real attack and fairly safe against a false flag that may affect the establishment. So I'd be worried about general leaks from the aging rubbish these reactors now are rather than some John le Carre novel.

Chernobyl most certainly was not just operator error. There were several serious design flaws which contributed to the accident - significantly the lack of provision of a containment structure and the design of the control rods, plus poor materials used in the design. Finally, in a rush to get the reactor on line, safety tests were postponed and then when undertaken management ignored the safety procedures.

"There are no real terrorists, just government sanctioned attacks" Eh?

 

[thebriars]

Chernobyl Was arrenged to bring down the Soviet Union, same as 911 took the US to war with Iraq. The reactor fail was know to happen and would therefore bankrupt the USSR trying to make it safe. The 'Black' World government know how to do these things.

Flat Earth Society alive and kicking!

 

[G-RMPS]

Terrorist would be hard pushed to find a plane at Prestwick

That’s because the National Air Traffic Service for half of the UK is based at Prestwick and there are 700 individuals based there all busy sending aircraft elsewhere.

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[GPW]

Chernobyl Was arrenged to bring down the Soviet Union, same as 911 took the US to war with Iraq. The reactor fail was know to happen and would therefore bankrupt the USSR trying to make it safe. The 'Black' World government know how to do these things.

Not really a view I subscribe to TBH, although Christopher Bollyn certainly nailed down most of 911, and Iraq was only one of 7 countries, the 7th being Iran.
There is something odd between Magna BSP and Fukushima though. Too many coincidences.

There have been a number of odd accidents of nuclear plants, the fundamental problem is that you only need to make a single mistake: they are not very forgiving to error.
For example the SL-1 accident is of note:

The SL-1 Nuclear Incident

and also of interest is the sodium cooled plant at Rocketdyne, Santa Susana, Simi valley: still making people ill today:

The Santa Susanna Reactor Accident, Canoga Park, California. by Ken Lafler

In the 1950's in the hills between the San Fernando Valley and Simi Valley an experiment was being conducted. An experiment so s...

ken-lafler.blogspot.com

Chernobyl is just another one in a long line of failure and contamination. the problem that even if they don't leak or blow up (they all leak) the waste is a huge problem that is not time sustainable, what's the ratio for a fuel rod, a couple of years generating heat then storage for a few hundred thousand years (some is reprocessed).
For example all the working RMBK reactors all create huge amounts of waste to store, each bit capable of it's own disaster.

Bellona's report on safety and legal violations at the Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant - Bellona.org

The Environmental Rights Center Bellona publicized Wednesday a scathing report on the state of the Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant, or LNPP, written by a 27-year veteran plant worker-turned whistleblower who was sacked in 2000 for his tireless efforts to expose the truly crumbling state of the...

bellona.org

As plants are worked longer and longer the waste builds up and up and is crammed into more and more makeshift places. There's an excellent report on the Leningrad fuel pools but I can find it, the amount of care and supervision of the waste is epic.

 

[GPW]

Chernobyl most certainly was not just operator error.

Never said it was 'just' that dear chap.
Factually however the operator DID make a serious error being fooled by the Xenon build-up which caused him to withdraw too many rods.
The unforgiving nature of the reactor's positive void coefficient then preventing him from stopping it - indeed driving the rods in fast likely made it worse.

 

[Tony50]

If Nuclear Power Stations are so safe why do they build them in low population areas ? And not where the electricity is needed ie. Like London they could have built a Nuclear Power Station on the old Battersea power station site before redevelopment plenty water in Thames for cooling purposes

 

[MyrtleGuru]

Sooner or later that old girl will go bang.
Our daughter lives in Clacton & I've warned her to be aware as there will be no warning.
Be one hell of a fireworks show though!

Many years ago was looking at a property for sale on the waterfront at Sheerness and wondered if it would still be standing if that went up.

 

[pappajohn]

long distance direction finding radar antenna for early warning of the Russians coming, and as such we regularly had F111's flying over practising their protection role.

We often get military aircraft 'attacking' RAF Staxton Wold at low level trying to sneak in 'under the radar' .

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[bigtwin]

If Nuclear Power Stations are so safe why do they build them in low population areas ? And not where the electricity is needed ie. Like London they could have built a Nuclear Power Station on the old Battersea power station site before redevelopment plenty water in Thames for cooling purposes

I would venture to suggest that it’s largely as a result of perception. Less populated areas probably recognise the benefits to the local economy - not something that major cities are particularly concerned about.

Ian

 

[iandsm]

It a power station not a bloody nuclear bomb! ?

Ian

Actually if it explode because the reactor went critical it would be exactly like a nuclear bomb

 

[steve 6644]

We have the SS Richard Montgomery lying on the bottom of the Medway estuary with enough ordinance to heighten everyone's awareness for miles around if it all went up.
I went past it once on a fishing boat, just the once...

 

[Apache]

We used to visit a farm in Cumbria every year and the farmer told us that there was a case locally where some meat was taken out of the freezer which went in before Chernobyl. It was tested and found to be radioactive !
Winscale anyone ?

 

[bigtwin]

Actually if it explode because the reactor went critical it would be exactly like a nuclear bomb

If the reactor isn’t critical it doesn’t produce power.

Ian

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[irnbru]

Growing up we went to school where the sports ground wall was the perimeter for the Bar L prison. I could see the prison in the distance from my bedroom window.

Very often you would get prisoners shouting out their cells at you. Mostly it was my maw lives nearby at xxxxxx address any chance you can go chap the door and tell her I want to talk to her.

I don't think we ever felt unsafe.

 

[The Wino]

My sister in law lives in France fairly close to their first commercial fast breeder reactor (now being decomissioned). The company running it funded projects like the village hall school etc and in a very rural area there are people who have worked their all their lives building it running it now taking it apart so some benefit and the added bonus of seeing the fighters scrambled if a plane gets too close!. I suppose there are drawbacks to all forms of power generation if you believe in global warming the nuclear option might be less harmfull than some others potentially.

 

[GPW]

Eh?

"Project Gladio" should be your first point of research as it's declassified now.

Actually if it explode because the reactor went critical it would be exactly like a nuclear bomb

While this seems obvious it's not really what happens.
The bombs actually require quite a lot of 'coaxing' (pressure and neutron reflection) for the big bangs. The biggest nuke ever set off was in the 1960s, ever since then the makers have been making them smaller. 60 years of miniaturization has given them the ability to take out targets such as a heavily defended Baghdad airport or turn large towers to dust with a well aimed low yield nuke. 'Battlefield' nukes they call them and they are regularly used in Afghanistan, Syria etc for tactical advantage in regime change ops and false flags. You can recognise then still by the flash and crater, confirmation is usually when the youtube videos are taken down LOL. VT did a great article on this if you're interested, although sadly video free now.

A reactor however tends to be a quiet balanced mix of stuff that 'hums away' in a moderately stable manner, meltdowns like in Fukushima create new fission reactions but each criticality tends to push the fuel apart so they self extinguish. These little 'flashes' have even happened in reprocessing labs and tend to at most kill people with neutron storms. Louis Slotin's was one of the most preventable, he slipped when messing about with a screwdriver:
http://www.abomb1.org/accident/critical.html (search for Slotin)

Most catastophic leaks from reactors happen due to overpressure and steam explosions due to loss of cooling. Fukushima was interesting in that at the time the people who believed in authority would vehemently argue that they were safe and would be contained, but they hadn't read the GE admissions from IIRC 1947 + 1972 that explained that the containment was of too small a volume. After Fukushima the American models of the GE MK1 and MKII were modified to vent the containment to the outside via a nice big chimney.

Another fact people are blissfully unaware of is how careless the military are with their nukes, a few were even accidentally dropped on Spain, a couple were only one slight fault away from going off too.

 

[Abacist]

Our old out of service nuclear subs lie in Devonport quietly rotting away still with their nuclear reactors intact. No one can face the cost of dismantling them and making them safe!

 

[The Wino]

Our old out of service nuclear subs lie in Devonport quietly rotting away still with their nuclear reactors intact. No one can face the cost of dismantling them and making them safe!

Similar to a lot of the waste at Sellafield from years ago no-one really knows whats in the lagoons as they were produced at a time when there was a big push to develop quickly in the 50's. Of course we have moved on a bit the first time a reactor went critical it was in the race to develop the first bombs and was on a squash court in Chicago hardly a good choice of location given the uncertainty about what would happen!

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