Is HVO and synthetic fuel the future of ICE ?

[funflair]

I saw a brief mention of HVO diesel alternative fuel on the Guy Martin prog a couple of nights ago, a quick google and it's quite an interesting read and would seem sensible to keep existing ICE vehicles on the road but with less harmful emissions, I know existing ICE vehicles are not going to be banned come 2035 but I am still to be convinced that BEV is the way to go personally.

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[GMLS]

HVO isn't the silver bullet it initially looks to be.We were about to mandate its use across all our construction sites until further research and due diligence made us pause.I'll see if I can find the key data to share.

 

[Spriddler]

It may be 'better' provided that no more pollution is generated in the crop growing (farm plant emissions, fertiliser production etc.) and production/processing of the crop for HVO than with the extraction and refining of diesel fuel.

 

[GMLS]

Here you go. Every argument has a counter argument and just sharing to show the latter

 

[gerry mcg]

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[jongood]

I saw a brief mention of HVO diesel alternative fuel on the Guy Martin prog a couple of nights ago, a quick google and it's quite an interesting read and would seem sensible to keep existing ICE vehicles on the road but with less harmful emissions, I know existing ICE vehicles are not going to be banned come 2035 but I am still to be convinced that BEV is the way to go personally.

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I agree Martin. I do not think the current technology will allow widespread use of BEV in HGV's or heavy plant, However I struggle to see how burning plant soup is going to produce less particulates than burning refined Oil. I think the various government's will be faced with the choice of either - rowing back on hybrid - or investing massive,y in Hydrogen.

 

[funflair]

I agree Martin. I do not think the current technology will allow widespread use of BEV in HGV's or heavy plant, However I struggle to see how burning plant soup is going to produce less particulates than burning refined Oil. I think the various government's will be faced with the choice of either - rowing back on hybrid - or investing massive,y in Hydrogen.

I think the biggest reduction with HVO is in the so called "greenhouse gases" it just seems sensible to me that existing ICE vehicles which have already been manufactured along with the associated environmental impact that cannot be reversed are now kept running as long as possible with the cleanest fuels available.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I have 2 words to say on this


Palm Oil

 

[funflair]

I have 2 words to say on this


Palm Oil

Yes the article I linked to specifically says they don't/won't use "Palm oil"

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Yes the article I linked to specifically says they don't/won't use "Palm oil"

They won’t but others will until 2030……. I view HVO as a bit of smoke and mirrors

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[funflair]

They won’t but others will until 2030……. I view HVO as a bit of smoke and mirrors

I think you know the industry better than I do

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I think you know the industry better than I do

Nah……. Just cynical about this and biofuel manufacture in general. They don’t use palm oil but other sources, squeezing other bio product users who then turn to palm oil as it is relatively cheap

 

[Steve and Denise]

They won’t but others will until 2030……. I view HVO as a bit of smoke and mirrors

A bit like most fuel substitutes ?

 

[Jackd]

Last year we were on a large MOD project, when the environmental team decided that it would be great idea to switch over to HVO on all the heavy plant.
They had been sold on the “90% less harmful emissions” (also quoted on the side of the delivery lorry).

Being a bit of a pessimist, I read a couple of studies, that had been carried out by two leading universities. I couldn’t find anything in their studies that even remotely resembled this 90% less emission claim.
When challenged, I was pretty much told to get back in my box.

A few months later, I was on another job in Southampton docks and got talking to the chap who ran DP WORLD. The conversation came around to HVO, And he told be that they ran it for 6 months in all the straddle carriers.
They did emission tests on regular diesel & then again on the HVO. The results were exactly the same.
They then went back to the supplier and questioned why they were not seeing this “90% less emissions” that is quoted everywhere.

It turns out that the 90% is in the production of said fuel & not the use of it.
And yes, it also uses a lot of palm oil.

 

[Guigsy]

Cars have gone to BEV. I think most vans will too. They won't have a brilliant range, but they'll cover most use cases. But for larger vehicles, it's not so clear. Maybe synthetic fuels will be the alternative? Although I suspect it'll be taxed high to discourage their widespread use to reduce air quality impacts.

Motorhomes will have awful range of dropped on an EV van chassis. And unlike many businesses, we won't have the option of leasing to keep up-front costs of an EV down. Maybe these synthetic fuels might be the way we keep diesel motorhomes running? At a large cost per mile.

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[DuxDeluxe]

A bit like most fuel substitutes ?

 

[Jev88]

Container ships only stopped using heavy sulphur fuel last year and still burn the dirtiest fuel oil they can get away with.
Not my expertise but I sold a widget to a customer and they use it to chemically DNA track fuels so ports can check if they really have low sulphur fuel on board. I read somewhere a typical container ship produces the same bad emissions as 50,000 cars? Talk about picking on the little guy (you and me).
I also read Mercedes, Mazda and probably Toyota are working on hydrogen through diesel engines.

And in contrast Chevrolet have announced almost a Billion dollars investment in their new V8 engine???? Do they know something about the 2030(?) ICE engine agreement that we don't?

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fu...llion-dollars-new-v8-engine-and-ev-components