Is 890kg sufficient payload on a PVC before accessories added.....?

[NicandJay]

Ok one for PVC owners on the forum please... is a payload of 890kg sufficient before I add accessories of a roll out awning, solar panel, additional hab battery. I run with 2 x 11kg gaslow system, a wife, driveaway awning plus 2 e bikes, 2 x 10kg dogs.
What are your thoughts?
TIA

 

[Jim]

When Funsters were surveyed it seemed the average payload for a couple was around 400kg

Average Motorhome Payload Requirement

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[starquake]

I'm wondering if you just talking about our wine supply for our upcoming trip in 400kg.

 

[CazPaul]

That should be enough I think for a small pvc, is it a 5.93 Mercedes?

 

[Lenny HB]

If a Brit van 500 probly OK a German van you need 700, so you will be fine.

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[dunnah01]

Where does your 890kg payload come from?

 

[NicandJay]

That should be enough I think for a small pvc, is it a 5.93 Mercedes?

Globecar 640 summit Prime

 

[NicandJay]

Where does your 890kg payload come from?

From the unreliable figures supplied by dealer with upplating done before collection.... I know they cant be relied upon but given the room for a margin of error I think we will be fine

 

[Ditcha]

Ok one for PVC owners on the forum please... is a payload of 890kg sufficient before I add accessories of a roll out awning, solar panel, additional hab battery. I run with 2 x 11kg gaslow system, a wife, driveaway awning plus 2 e bikes, 2 x 10kg dogs.
What are your thoughts?
TIA

No mention of the wine in there Jay

 

[PaulW2]

Globecar 640 summit Prime

Upplated to 3850? I think your payload should be absolutely fine.

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[Garfields]

Globecar 640 summit Prime

To get that payload on a Globecar it must have been up plated?
Most Globecars start at over 3000kg

 

[NicandJay]

No mention of the wine in there Jay

Shhhhhh... that's going in the additional "fresh water" tank which is an added extra

 

[NicandJay]

To get that payload on a Globecar it must have been up plated?
Most Globecars start at over 3000kg

Yes on a maxi chassis

 

[NicandJay]

Upplated to 3850? I think your payload should be absolutely fine.

Yes, I think so too but just wanted benefit of MHF experience

 

[LithiumConvert]

If a Brit van 500 probly OK a German van you need 700,

It is probably me, but I am not seeing the difference. What am I missing?

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[Jo May]

Ok, I'm a rank amateur.....
I suggest your list above would come in some way under 300 kg, leaving you well over 550 kg for the rest.
That's a lot of leeway.
You'll have to add water, wine, diesel, food, clothing, wine, paracetamol, chairs, table, tools, wine.
Can anyone suggest anything significant I've missed here.
Nowhere near 500 kg though?

Then weigh front and rear axels individually on a weighbridge.
We have a 6m PVC and, full of everything, come in way under maximum allowed (3.5t).

 

[Soycd]

What is the manufacturer MIRO and what does it consist of? On the Adria Twin 640 we are getting the MIRO (2910) includes driver, 90% diesel, 20% water, tool kit, 16kg gas cylinder, and a mains cable reel. I’ve calculated the following additions. All inclusive pack 93kg, aircon 33kg, extra battery 25kg, solar panel 10kg, wife 65kg, bikes 24kg. That leaves me with about 334kg to play around with, more than enough for us. Of course the MIRO figure might not be accurate but a trip to the weigh bridge will check that.

 

[NicandJay]

Ok, I'm a rank amateur.....
I suggest your list above would come in some way under 300 kg, leaving you well over 550 kg for the rest.
That's a lot of leeway.
You'll have to add water, wine, diesel, food, clothing, wine, paracetamol, chairs, table, tools, wine.
Can anyone suggest anything significant I've missed here.
Nowhere near 500 kg though?

Then weigh front and rear axels individually on a weighbridge.
We have a 6m PVC and, full of everything, come in way under maximum allowed (3.5t).

That's great and really informative. Thanks for replying

 

[Pausim]

It is probably me, but I am not seeing the difference. What am I missing?

I was puzzled initially but the OP said “before I add accessories”. UK vans tend to include lots of standard accessories. The Germans don’t, they give you a long list of options so that you can choose what you want but this means you have to allow for these in the payload calculation.

 

[alasdairandannie]

I reckon it’s probably fine. The only cast iron way to know is to baseline your self at a weighbridge then you can calculate what you want to add. Not sure that I trust MIRO figures.

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[Lenny HB]

It is probably me, but I am not seeing the difference. What am I missing?

German vans have a basic spec then it's up to the customer to choose his options, The given payload is based on the basic spec so every option reduces the payload. You normally can't buy them without the basic comfort/chassis pack which is an option, TV is an option, oven, fog lights, and loads of other things. If you buy a German van you normally end up spending an extra £10k to £20k on options.

The van we have on order has about £17k of options & I plan to spend another £10k on it, probably more.

 

[Riverbankannie]

I think you will be fine. Our 6.4m PVC is 3400 on weighbridge loaded with driver, passenger, water and 3/4 diesel and their stuff. Includes roll out awning, one 45kg battery. No bikes or back rack (we were going to have a busbiker towbar rack fitted), no solar panel.
We thought it was too close to call to continue with bike rack, especially as we do like to travel with water and also bring back the wine!
On heavy chassis so could be uprated, but not our licences.

 

[two]

Payload can be as much as a length of string.
It requires discipline. If you are too carefree, it will build up and you'll be over (just as I suspect many are).
Do you really need two awnings? Forget the roll-out and see how you go. You may need that saving for something else.
Second battery? Likewise, or look at Lithium.
The calculation is not made easy because of all the smoke 'n mirrors surrounding what things are included or not in declared weights.
It looks like you'll be OK but I'd start with the minimum of add-ons and check at a weigh bridge in your real 'running order' to see how much spare you have.
Wait for experience to tell you what's really necessary. You can spend a lot on attractive toys that you don't make good use of. If you tread carefully you might save a lot of ££ and Kg.
If you need to, I think there is a tolerance before you're declared overweight. You could add that margin to your allowance if you had to. Someone will say, but check it out if you need to use it.
Try not to fret. Get out there and enjoy it.

 

[NicandJay]

What is the manufacturer MIRO and what does it consist of? On the Adria Twin 640 we are getting the MIRO (2910) includes driver, 90% diesel, 20% water, tool kit, 16kg gas cylinder, and a mains cable reel. I’ve calculated the following additions. All inclusive pack 93kg, aircon 33kg, extra battery 25kg, solar panel 10kg, wife 65kg, bikes 24kg. That leaves me with about 334kg to play around with, more than enough for us. Of course the MIRO figure might not be accurate but a trip to the weigh bridge will check that.

Payload can be as much as a length of string.
It requires discipline. If you are too carefree, it will build up and you'll be over (just as I suspect many are).
Do you really need two awnings? Forget the roll-out and see how you go. You may need that saving for something else.
Second battery? Likewise, or look at Lithium.
The calculation is not made easy because of all the smoke 'n mirrors surrounding what things are included or not in declared weights.
It looks like you'll be OK but I'd start with the minimum of add-ons and check at a weigh bridge in your real 'running order' to see how much spare you have.
Wait for experience to tell you what's really necessary. You can spend a lot on attractive toys that you don't make good use of. If you tread carefully you might save a lot of ££ and Kg.
If you need to, I think there is a tolerance before you're declared overweight. You could add that margin to your allowance if you had to. Someone will say, but check it out if you need to use it.
Try not to fret. Get out there and enjoy it.

Yes agreed. Not our first moho but our first pvc and was just a little concerned before putting down deposit

 

[two]

If the proposed vehicle is a popular one, it must clearly be manageable to live within its confinements of weight and space.
I was attracted by the idea of a PVC but decided that we are not tidy enough:
You have to put everything you take somewhere, pack it in tightly, and remember where you put it.

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[Pausim]

If the proposed vehicle is a popular one, it must clearly be manageable to live within its confinements of weight and space.
I was attracted by the idea of a PVC but decided that we are not tidy enough:
You have to put everything you take somewhere, pack it in tightly, and remember where you put it.

Less chance of forgetting where something is if there are fewer places to hide it.

 

[two]

Less chance of forgetting where something is if there are fewer places to hide it.

Good Point!
And less chance of taking yet another!

 

[Mad dog]

Depends how big the mrs is...!

 

[Soycd]

No bikes or back rack (we were going to have a busbiker towbar rack fitted),

We are thinking of a Van-Star for our new Adria Twin 640 (when it arrives) Similar to the busbiker, the Van-Star weighs 45kg, if that helps? It's a hefty piece of kit!