Immobilisers

[AlunandFelicie]

When insurers ask if an immobiliser is fitted what are they actually after is it the manufacturer standard if fitted or are they after something superior?
I have a Burstner Lyseo time ,2018 ,do I have an immobiliser as standard ?

 

[Brains]

When insurers ask if an immobiliser is fitted what are they actually after is it the manufacturer standard if fitted or are they after something superior?
I have a Burstner Lyseo time ,2018 ,do I have an immobiliser as standard ?

If you don't know, then the answer is probably not.

Immobilisers typically need to be put into service mode when going into the garage for services.

They also have a habit of independent activation at annoying times, typically when trying to exit a ferry, as the immobiliser realises its been moved without the engine going, which means it could have been put on the back of a low loader and stolen.
(So always put your immobiliser onto service mode when waiting for a ferry !!!!)

Many modern motorhomes are fitted with after market Alarm/Immobiliser/Tracker combination.
The company name you will see crop up again and again is VanBitz of Taunton who will fit in a day (campsite next door)

I think you will find, even if you had a factory fitted or dealer fitted Alarm/Immobiliser/Tracker combination, most people would prefer the VanBitz products, if for no other reason each one is done separately, so a typical thief is not going to know where to start looking to disable the systems.

 

[StillGoing]

I assume yours is based on a Fiat? If so, Fiat fitted immobilisers as standard years before your vehicle was built. If an insurance company asks if you have an immobiliser you can answer yes.

They became mandatory for cars in 1998!

 

[eddie]

When insurers ask if an immobiliser is fitted what are they actually after is it the manufacturer standard if fitted or are they after something superior?
I have a Burstner Lyseo time ,2018 ,do I have an immobiliser as standard ?

Yes

Factory fitted

 

[Brains]

Well, it would appear you probably have got one fitted.
In which case, you need to find out to activate/deactivate it!

(Key fob maybe ?)

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[eddie]

Well, it would appear you probably have got one fitted.
In which case, you need to find out to activate/deactivate it!

(Key fob maybe ?)

It’s built into the ignition key

100% fully automatic no batteries to worry about

 

[AlunandFelicie]

It’s built into the ignition key

100% fully automatic no batteries to worry about

Thanks Eddie because there wasn’t a separate fob I didn’t know how it would activate. I couldn’t find any info in the Burstner manual

 

[Bill-H]

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[eddie]

Thank Eddie because there wasn’t a separate fob I didn’t know how it would activate. I couldn’t find any info in the Burstner manual

In essence there is a chip in the key, there is a "ring" around the ignition barrel.

When the key is inserted and the ignition is turned on, the "ring" (which is an output transducer) transmits. This energises the chip (which is a combination transducer) which is in the middle of the "ring" and it "pings" back a electronic handshake.

This handshake is recognised by the transducer, which in turn sends a digital "thumbs up" to the ECU which in turn sends a message to the diesel pump to allow fuel to flow into the injectors.

This is why a "non chipped" key, correctly cut/copied to fit the ignition barrel will allow the ignition to be turned on, and will crank the engine and but the engine will not start.

These systems are very good considering they are factory fitted and cannot be removed (except by someone like me however, I am now retired)

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

A 'dead key' is also useful if you're taking a key out onto water, or for those who like to hide away a key about their van. Even if found by a ' ne're do well' scrote they may be able to access your van, but won't easily be able to abscond with it.
Mike.

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[Brains]

In essence there is a chip in the key, there is a "ring" around the ignition barrel.

When the key is inserted and the ignition is turned on, the "ring" (which is an output transducer) transmits. This energises the chip (which is a combination transducer) which is in the middle of the "ring" and it "pings" back a electronic handshake.

This handshake is recognised by the transducer, which in turn sends a digital "thumbs up" to the ECU which in turn sends a message to the diesel pump to allow fuel to flow into the injectors.

This is why a "non chipped" key, correctly cut/copied to fit the ignition barrel will allow the ignition to be turned on, and will crank the engine and but the engine will not start.

These systems are very good considering they are factory fitted and cannot be removed (except by someone like me however, I am now retired)

Thanks for the info.

However a "ignition key immobiliser" is not the same thing as the non-factory/dealer immobilisers fitted on many motorhomes.

Where the immobiliser is switched on/off via a mobile phone app, &/or a fob (which is not kept with the keys, and needs to be put in a specific place to deactivate).

If some scrote nicks my vehicle keys, he can drive off in my car.

But whilst the keys will allow him to enter my motorhome, with the immobiliser switched on he is not going anywhere.
Should the scrote have also taken my phone, AND got the pin number for the phone, AND got the different pin number for the immobiliser then he can drive off.
However using any computer I can activate the immobiliser remotely, and if needed change the code, so next time he stops the vehicle it will not restart. (The vehicle also has a tracker as part of the same package)

 

[Brains]

This is why a "non chipped" key, correctly cut/copied to fit the ignition barrel will allow the ignition to be turned on, and will crank the engine and but the engine will not start.

These systems are very good considering they are factory fitted and cannot be removed (except by someone like me however, I am now retired)

You mean to tell me that all those movies where the hero hot wires the ignition in the time it takes the baddies to nearly catch up, before the ensuing very destructive car chase sequence, many not actually be possible !

Bring back the Sweeney !

 

[pappajohn]

Yes

Factory fitted

Agreed.....
As far as the insurers are concerned the factory fit immobiliser is the dogs do-da's.

 

[eddie]

Thanks for the info.

However a "ignition key immobiliser" is not the same thing as the non-factory/dealer immobilisers fitted on many motorhomes.

Where the immobiliser is switched on/off via a mobile phone app, &/or a fob (which is not kept with the keys, and needs to be put in a specific place to deactivate).

If some scrote nicks my vehicle keys, he can drive off in my car.

But whilst the keys will allow him to enter my motorhome, with the immobiliser switched on he is not going anywhere.
Should the scrote have also taken my phone, AND got the pin number for the phone, AND got the different pin number for the immobiliser then he can drive off.
However using any computer I can activate the immobiliser remotely, and if needed change the code, so next time he stops the vehicle it will not restart. (The vehicle also has a tracker as part of the same package)

My personal best was break in and hot wire Gentlemen Jack Bancrofts Compass Drifter in under 20 seconds for MMM

 

[Brains]

My personal best was break in and hot wire Gentlemen Jack Bancrofts Compass Drifter in under 20 seconds for MMM

And you'd do mine in much the same time, as you fitted it!

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[eddie]

And you'd do mine in much the same time, as you fitted it!

Nah

I'd nick your phone

 

[POH]

In essence there is a chip in the key, there is a "ring" around the ignition barrel.

When the key is inserted and the ignition is turned on, the "ring" (which is an output transducer) transmits. This energises the chip (which is a combination transducer) which is in the middle of the "ring" and it "pings" back a electronic handshake.

This handshake is recognised by the transducer, which in turn sends a digital "thumbs up" to the ECU which in turn sends a message to the diesel pump to allow fuel to flow into the injectors.

This is why a "non chipped" key, correctly cut/copied to fit the ignition barrel will allow the ignition to be turned on, and will crank the engine and but the engine will not start.

These systems are very good considering they are factory fitted and cannot be removed (except by someone like me however, I am now retired)

Eddie, does that mean if I have the non starter and fiats immobiliser I am double protected .

 

[eddie]

Eddie, does that mean if I have the non starter and fiats immobiliser I am double protected .

Yes, but from different types of attacks

You have the same level of immobilisation protection as I have