I have a problem ! (1 Viewer)

[Jaws]

You’re like me, don’t like to give up!!

How about buying a new one and keeping your current PC for your amateur radio stuff? Not being computer literate have no idea if that is a feasible option?

That is what I am trying to do I have new machines but really need this older one working on XP

 

[Jaws]

my advice is don't try to rebuild it again take it to a local guy for a quote.

LOL !!!
I AM the local guy !
Before I started Jaws Motorcycles I was head of IT for a certain London Rubber Company ( eastern )

 

[Gromett]

Sounds good but it is actually connected.. I can ping an IP address but the web is a no no !

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DNS servers not responding by the sounds of it.

 

[houdini]

That is what I am trying to do I have new machines but really need this older one working on XP

Oops, sorry, told you I wasn’t computer literate! Worked at a college, after every summer holiday IT would swan in and say they’d installed new software packages and watch the panic on our faces. We were expected to learn these quickly on the hoof to produce classwork material for the teachers for the first week. Quite enjoyed the challenge.

Once bought a Leo computer at auction years ago and was told there was nothing on it. Played around a bit and found there was a very old word processing package, learnt a few bits using Dos, good fun.

Hope you solve your problem quickly.

 

[Jaws]

DNS servers not responding by the sounds of it.

It did cross my mind, but why would redoing the IP config make it work ( briefly )
As soon as I get a moment I am gonna try Opera as a portable app and see what happens

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[Gromett]

It did cross my mind, but why would redoing the IP config make it work ( briefly )
As soon as I get a moment I am gonna try Opera as a portable app and see what happens

• Open your Command Prompt from the Start menu (or type “Cmd” into the search in your Windows task bar).
• Next, type ipconfig/all into your command prompt and press Enter.
• Look for the field labeled “DNS Servers.” The first address is the primary DNS server, and the next address is the secondary DNS server.

 

[Jaws]

• Open your Command Prompt from the Start menu (or type “Cmd” into the search in your Windows task bar).
• Next, type ipconfig/all into your command prompt and press Enter.
• Look for the field labeled “DNS Servers.” The first address is the primary DNS server, and the next address is the secondary DNS server.

II tried that and I THINK it will only show up if I switch over to hard wire ( which is a pain ! )

 

[Gromett]

II tried that and I THINK it will only show up if I switch over to hard wire ( which is a pain ! )

Try it on both.

I am trying to find out if your DHCP server is giving you DNS server IP address or not.
Handy to rule out if it is one interface or both.
If one then you know it is likely that the fault is with that interface or with the device you are connecting to.
If it is both, then you know it is a problem in the networking config for windows.

 

[kevenh]

Maybe unrelated but on the Windows Server newbuilds I had to work with, the internet browser was locked down and unusable due to security settings.

If that sounds related I'll look into what fixes I had to do - basically just getting to lower security settings.
What is the error message , if any, in the browser window you get instead of the desired web page?

I think running a browser as a portable app (as suggested by RetiredPope ) could help diagnosis too

 

[NigelNovice]

Could be drivers, do you have laptop/motherboard cd that may have the drivers needed even if slightly out of date, most later installs either have basic drivers to get you going or download them in the back ground during setup,
Did you try formatting in BIOS

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[kevenh]

Some DNS things, at the CMD prompt, find your computers hostname, ping that hostname, then ping bbc.co.uk

Like

C:\Users\nope>hostname
MHF_test

C:\Users\nope>ping MHF_test

Pinging MHF_test [192.168.10.97] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.10.97: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.10.97: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.10.97: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
Reply from 192.168.10.97: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.97:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

C:\Users\nope>ping bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [151.101.128.81] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=60

Ping statistics for 151.101.128.81:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 8ms, Maximum = 9ms, Average = 8ms

C:\Users\nope>ping 151.101.128.81

Pinging 151.101.128.81 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=60

Ping statistics for 151.101.128.81:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 8ms, Maximum = 10ms, Average = 9ms

How do you get on?
Oh!! An nslookup results will help.
Like

C:\Users\nope>nslookup bbc.co.uk
Server: UnKnown
Address: fdcc:bc1f:f0e2:0:c23e:fff:fefa:6c60

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: bbc.co.uk
Addresses: 2a04:4e42:400::81
2a04:4e42:200::81
2a04:4e42::81
2a04:4e42:600::81
151.101.0.81
151.101.64.81
151.101.128.81
151.101.192.81


C:\Users\nope>

 

[Jaws]

Well that eliminated an awful lot and brought up something else

Using Opera portable I have access to all the internet, but by gum it is not so much slow as errrr... a really really slow thing going on a go slow !
About 5 to 8 minutes to load a page

Sooo,,, that means that all the important bits are working ( DHCP etc ) and the issue is def with the web browser ( Internet Explorer )

Good progress people !!

I shall try Firefox next and see how that behaves

 

[Jaws]

Did you try formatting in BIOS

Looked for it, not available.. Typical Tosh BIOS... pretty basic to say the least

NSLookup behaves perfectly ( and FAST too )

 

[kevenh]

Well that eliminated an awful lot and brought up something else

Using Opera portable I have access to all the internet, but by gum it is not so much slow as errrr... a really really slow thing going on a go slow !
About 5 to 8 minutes to load a page

Sooo,,, that means that all the important bits are working ( DHCP etc ) and the issue is def with the web browser ( Internet Explorer )

Good progress people !!

I shall try Firefox next and see how that behaves

Sounds like my new build findings.
The Security Settings are set to "high" for Internet Explorer. i.e. too high to be usable. =
Even if you move to Firefox or Chrome, etc. it might be worth fixing IE first.

Change security and privacy settings for Internet Explorer 11 - Microsoft Support

Learn about Pop-up Blocker, Protected Mode, security zones, and other customizable security and privacy settings in Internet Explorer.

support.microsoft.com

 

[Jaws]

Sounds like my new build findings.
The Security Settings are set to "high" for Internet Explorer. i.e. too high to be usable. =
Even if you move to Firefox or Chrome, etc. it might be worth fixing IE first.

Change security and privacy settings for Internet Explorer 11 - Microsoft Support

Learn about Pop-up Blocker, Protected Mode, security zones, and other customizable security and privacy settings in Internet Explorer.

support.microsoft.com

Already set to the lowest possible....
But I did double check, and as I did so a web page popped up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no idea how or why, but it seems that using Opera ( as slow and painful as it was ) caused whatever the issue was to simply go away ?

With Explorer working I immediately downloaded Chrome and I am happy to report everything is now working
OK, as expected not the fastest thing in the world but yes, it all bumbles along quite nicely

Massive thanks to all who gave suggestions and help ( too many to name ! )
I was going to give it to a local school once up and running but over the past couple of fraught days I realised that I really need the machine for some old programs I used to use and will be able to use again

Again, thank you one and all for bearing with me

Ya all take a bow and can have the rest of the day off

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[Nanniemate]

Already set to the lowest possible....
But I did double check, and as I did so a web page popped up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no idea how or why, but it seems that using Opera ( as slow and painful as it was ) caused whatever the issue was to simply go away ?

With Explorer working I immediately downloaded Chrome and I am happy to report everything is now working
OK, as expected not the fastest thing in the world but yes, it all bumbles along quite nicely

Massive thanks to all who gave suggestions and help ( too many to name ! )
I was going to give it to a local school once up and running but over the past couple of fraught days I realised that I really need the machine for some old programs I used to use and will be able to use again

Again, thank you one and all for bearing with me

Ya all take a bow and can have the rest of the day off

Glad to see its resolved when can I send you my under the stairs supply ...............................

 

[Jaws]

Glad to see its resolved when can I send you my under the stairs supply ...............................

I will have a go at anything ! LOL!!

 

[varaizian]

I thought that English was my native tongue until I scanned down through this thread. What the hell are you all talking about?

 

[Jaws]

I thought that English was my native tongue until I scanned down through this thread. What the hell are you all talking about?

Its IT speak, better known as gobbledegook and bullplop !!!!

 

[Nanniemate]

Its IT speak, better known as gobbledegook and bullplop !!!!

put my English, Gibberish and rubbish to shame

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[varaizian]

Its IT speak, better known as gobbledegook and bullplop !!!!

I live inside the nice safe garden wall built by Apple (pad, pod, phone and Mac) and I still need my son, in web development, to sort out occasional problems. Each to their own I guess!

 

[the1andonly]

You're obviously sorted now , but get ready for next problem by getting yourself a bootable copy of puppy linux nice easy to use . Recently had to use it to sort out win 10 that got its nickers in z twist, a format later and reinstall and good to go. Versions of Puppy suitable for ancient slow machine

 

[Jaws]

You're obviously sorted now , but get ready for next problem by getting yourself a bootable copy of puppy linux nice easy to use . Recently had to use it to sort out win 10 that got its nickers in z twist, a format later and reinstall and good to go. Versions of Puppy suitable for ancient slow machine

Yep.. I am desperately trying to find me old linux bootable cd I used to use when NT users lost their password .. straight in, change the password and reboot as normal
Linux def has its uses !!!

 

[Nanniemate]

Yep.. I am desperately trying to find me old linux bootable cd I used to use when NT users lost their password .. straight in, change the password and reboot as normal
Linux def has its uses !!!

I may have one I will have a look (NT CD) I had something but dont know what it was years ago

 

[kevenh]

Yep.. I am desperately trying to find me old linux bootable cd I used to use when NT users lost their password .. straight in, change the password and reboot as normal
Linux def has its uses !!!

You can create Windows 10 recovery USB sticks. Links on Microsoft support site.
They can be used to recover MBR errors etc.

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[Jaws]

You can create Windows 10 recovery USB sticks. Links on Microsoft support site.
They can be used to recover MBR errors etc.

The problem was.. There are no vid driver available for win10 and when I went back to win7 I started getting web issues
This has now been sorted out but I am trying to sort out a method to stop it happening if I ever get the same or similar issue

 

[kevenh]

The problem was.. There are no vid driver available for win10 and when I went back to win7 I started getting web issues
This has now been sorted out but I am trying to sort out a method to stop it happening if I ever get the same or similar issue

Sorry. Yes, it was someone else that recently mentioned Win10. I do (now) recall the Windows OS downgrade saga in post 1

 

[Jaws]

Sorry. Yes, it was someone else that recently mentioned Win10. I do (now) recall the Windows OS downgrade saga in post 1

No worries.. threads like this are always full of useful info for folk, so all input is worth it

 

[the1andonly]

You can create Windows 10 recovery USB sticks. Links on Microsoft support site.
They can be used to recover MBR errors etc.

It was my win 10 problem i had to reformat the disk with linux before using the recovery disk