Greta Thunburg

[Paulypaul]

Surely she should release a statement with statistics that note the improvement in the worlds environment now that there are very few aeroplanes flying, cars using roads and certainly, no motorhomes clogging up the atmosphere?

Perhaps her dad's too busy running up and down stairs looking after her to be able to sit down and script her next rant!

 

[Two on Tour]

Like you, I have never thought that she was spouting her own words.

A few months ago Facebook performed a major upgrade to the platform and as is the way with these major upgrades it threw up an anomaly which in this case for about 4 hours was to show paths and feeds from external access given to user accounts and the traffic through theses paths and feeds before the error was corrected. As the cat was out of the bag on Greta Thunberg personal Facebook account, Facebook released a statement confirming that her father Svantes Thunberg and “Climate Crisis activist” Adarsh Prathap were posting on Greta's account.

 

[Burstnerite]

Can't help thinking our current problem is so much more immediate. A virus has shown what it can do to the world in a mater of months. Let's face it we could be the last representatives of the human race. If not this time, maybe the next. Or the next. So does she really matter ?

 

[rangi]

It might depend on whether the well off think that they have the right to damage the environment for everyone else.

Define "Well off"

 

[MattR]

Surely she should release a statement with statistics that note the improvement in the worlds environment now that there are very few aeroplanes flying, cars using roads and certainly, no motorhomes clogging up the atmosphere?

Perhaps her dad's too busy running up and down stairs looking after her to be able to sit down and script her next rant!

Perhaps we should wait for the climate scientists to produce their findings. There is certainly a reduction in emissions this year but it is probably too soon to see any impact on climate change and any change will only be short-lived because emissions will go up once lock downs are eased.

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[maison]

It might depend on whether the well off think that they have the right to damage the environment for everyone else.

And why would you think that that is the case?

Do you think that it is the “well off”, (and what is your definition of “well off”), that are fly tipping across the country ruining the countryside or are the landowners destroying it?

 

[63720]

Greta Thunburg appeals to younger people indeed the students told the teachers they were going on strike.. How do these youngsters prefer to communicate, through the internet. FB, Twitter, WhatsAapp, Instagram and Youtube. How many Tb of information is communicated daily to cloud storage by these youngsters and how much Co2 does this generate - this is definitely man made but I don't see them throwing their phones away.

 

[Coolcats]

And why would you think that that is the case?

Do you think that it is the “well off”, (and what is your definition of “well off”), that are fly tipping across the country ruining the countryside or are the landowners destroying it?

The "well off" create products for us to use

CBS News finds children mining cobalt for batteries in the Congo

CBS News finds kids doing dangerous manual labor at mines in the Congo, where most of the world's cobalt is unearthed

www.cbsnews.com

Moving away from Cobalt to Lithium has its challenges http://www.lithiummine.com/lithium-mining-and-environmental-impact

So yes the well off probably have a bigger impact than your local fly tipper which is equally poor practice

 

[MattR]

And why would you think that that is the case?

Do you think that it is the “well off”, (and what is your definition of “well off”), that are fly tipping across the country ruining the countryside or are the landowners destroying it?

Because the majority of UK residents are considered as relatively well off.... Compared to the global population. And it will be the poorest that suffer most from climate change.

And it seems many of the more affluent refuse to "be told what to do' and they will continue to drive where they like, fly where they like and cruise where they like.

Fly tippers are a different story.

 

[MattR]

Greta Thunburg appeals to younger people indeed the students told the teachers they were going on strike.. How do these youngsters prefer to communicate, through the internet. FB, Twitter, WhatsAapp, Instagram and Youtube. How many Tb of information is communicated daily to cloud storage by these youngsters and how much Co2 does this generate - this is definitely man made but I don't see them throwing their phones away.

Is this another bashing of youngsters to deflect attention away from the damage caused by previous generations?

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[gus-lopez]

What would make people take notice?

Nothing

 

[MattR]

Nothing

The comparison of CV-19 and climate change reminds me of the fable of frogs and hot water... we can take rapid action when we have a sudden change and we might only lose tens or hundreds of thousands of people but many are ignoring the changes that will result in millions of deaths.

 

[Ivory55]

Yes but they will soon be banging out lots of kids again, look at the population growth

 

[westhamman]

Is it about time to think big on climate change, maybe we could science our way out of the problem. 130,000 odd people worked on the Manhattan project, 250,000 odd at NASA during the space race. It apparently took Mercerdes f1 engineers a few days to come up with something for NHS.. Let's put the top people together and see what they come up with, expensive yes, but as we have seen, who cares about money when needs must.

 

[63720]

Is this another bashing of youngsters to deflect attention away from the damage caused by previous generations?

No, I'm not 'bashing' anyone, just speaking an absolute truth - the stats are out there. Although now you mention it I wonder what the average carbon footprint of a youngster is today compared to someone of my generation?

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[MattR]

No, I'm not 'bashing' anyone, just speaking an absolute truth - the stats are out there. Although now you mention it I wonder what the average carbon footprint of a youngster is today compared to someone of my generation?

Feel free to cite those stats. Stating that it is out there and you're speaking the absolute truth isn't credible.

I don't know what generation you belong to but this might help demonstrate why blaming younger generations for the pollution of older generations isn't fair: https://knoema.com/atlas/United-Kingdom/CO2-emissions-per-capita

 

[DBK]

Feel free to cite those stats. Stating that it is out there and you're speaking the absolute truth isn't credible.

I don't know what generation you belong to but this might help demonstrate why blaming younger generations for the pollution of older generations isn't fair: https://knoema.com/atlas/United-Kingdom/CO2-emissions-per-capita

I admire your stamina but against folk who enjoy taking the P out of a young women with Asperger's I fear you are wasting your time. The Ignore thread would be a better target and much more rewarding.

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[MattR]

I admire your stamina but against folk who enjoy taking the P out of a young women with Asperger's I fear you are wasting your time. The Ignore thread would be a better target and much more rewarding.

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True, but I'd prefer to reduce the amount of fake / false information being shared.

 

[63720]

Feel free to cite those stats. Stating that it is out there and you're speaking the absolute truth isn't credible.

I don't know what generation you belong to but this might help demonstrate why blaming younger generations for the pollution of older generations isn't fair: https://knoema.com/atlas/United-Kingdom/CO2-emissions-per-capita

A 2 minute search found this . Please stop with the Bashing and Blame accusations. My teachers and lecturers had a piece of chalk, how much energy does it take to educate students in a Smart classroom on climate change?

What is the carbon footprint of the internet?

Most people are aware of the large carbon footprint of vehicles and agriculture, but cutting down our internet usage could have a massive positive environmental impact.

www.sciencefocus.com

 

[Larrynwin]

Bloody moles

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[MANGOFORTH]

This is a serious question. Aimed at DBK and Mattyjwr . You guys seem to be very knowledgeable on this topic.

I read that 92 million cars were made in 2019 across the globe. And I get that these will be far more economical than say cars made 20 years ago.

But the pollution/damage/correct term/ caused from manufacturing this quantity of cars and spares ect, compared to the running of already made vehicles, and already made spare parts ect. How would that weigh up?

And I get that long term manufacturing of eco cars is the ideal solution. But we are still making ICE vehicles.

In my head, it makes sense to stop manufacturing new vehicles. Run/repair the old vehicles. Save on all the manufacturing pollution, focus on developing genuine green cars. Then phase out ICE vehicles.....

What do you reckon?

 

[MattR]

A 2 minute search found this . Please stop with the Bashing and Blame accusations. My teachers and lecturers had a piece of chalk, how much energy does it take to educate students in a Smart classroom on climate change?

What is the carbon footprint of the internet?

Most people are aware of the large carbon footprint of vehicles and agriculture, but cutting down our internet usage could have a massive positive environmental impact.

www.sciencefocus.com

Are you implying that young generations are responsible for all of this? Did you see the chart I provided?

 

[DBK]

This is a serious question. Aimed at DBK and Mattyjwr . You guys seem to be very knowledgeable on this topic.

I read that 92 million cars were made in 2019 across the globe. And I get that these will be far more economical than say cars made 20 years ago.

But the pollution/damage/correct term/ caused from manufacturing this quantity of cars and spares ect, compared to the running of already made vehicles, and already made spare parts ect. How would that weigh up?

And I get that long term manufacturing of eco cars is the ideal solution. But we are still making ICE vehicles.

In my head, it makes sense to stop manufacturing new vehicles. Run/repair the old vehicles. Save on all the manufacturing pollution, focus on developing genuine green cars. Then phase out ICE vehicles.....

What do you reckon?

Decarbonisation seems to be the long-term answer but getting there is the challenge. Above my pay grade to solve but as I'm only making one trip in the car a week and none at all in the 3 litre MH I guess I'm helping.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Do not worry any of you, when the NWO have their way under UN agenda 22 there will only be 500000000 people on the Earth anyway after the great reset they plan. It is all set out and you can buy a copy the document from the UN Library. Nature soon takes all back, I just need to look at my garden to see that.

 

[MattR]

This is a serious question. Aimed at DBK and Mattyjwr . You guys seem to be very knowledgeable on this topic.

I read that 92 million cars were made in 2019 across the globe. And I get that these will be far more economical than say cars made 20 years ago.

But the pollution/damage/correct term/ caused from manufacturing this quantity of cars and spares ect, compared to the running of already made vehicles, and already made spare parts ect. How would that weigh up?

And I get that long term manufacturing of eco cars is the ideal solution. But we are still making ICE vehicles.

In my head, it makes sense to stop manufacturing new vehicles. Run/repair the old vehicles. Save on all the manufacturing pollution, focus on developing genuine green cars. Then phase out ICE vehicles.....

What do you reckon?

It depends on many factors such as mpg, age etc but like for like, the older the vehicle, the worse the pollution. Manufacturing pollution is a small part of the overall impact.

Buying A New Car Is Greener Than Driving An Old One...Really

You've probably heard it at some point: A friend claims his older vehicle is far greener than the new car with much higher fuel economy you just bought That's because, he says, the old car didn't require all the energy and natural resources your car consumed as it was built. But is that older...

www.greencarreports.com

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[MANGOFORTH]

It depends on many factors such as mpg, age etc but like for like, the older the vehicle, the worse the pollution. Manufacturing pollution is a small part of the overall impact.

Buying A New Car Is Greener Than Driving An Old One...Really

You've probably heard it at some point: A friend claims his older vehicle is far greener than the new car with much higher fuel economy you just bought That's because, he says, the old car didn't require all the energy and natural resources your car consumed as it was built. But is that older...

www.greencarreports.com

That answers that then ?.

I wasn't trying to justify using old cars. Tbh I expected the manufacturing emissions to be much higher.
Thanks
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[Paddywack]

Do not worry any of you, when the NWO have their way under UN agenda 22 there will only be 500000000 people on the Earth anyway after the great reset they plan. It is all set out and you can buy a copy the document from the UN Library. Nature soon takes all back, I just need to look at my garden to see that.

Good to see conspiracy theories being promoted in these difficult times.

 

[MattR]

Good to see conspiracy theories being promoted in these difficult times.

I sometimes wonder when does a conspiracy theory stop being bollocks and start being credible? Why do people believe in conspiracy theories and what would it take for them to realise that they are wrong? I'm aware that some conspiracy theories have proven to be correct but most seem to be hoaxes. Am I wrong?

 

[Paddywack]

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I sometimes wonder when does a conspiracy theory stop being bollocks and start being credible? Why do people believe in conspiracy theories and what would it take for them to realise that they are wrong? I'm aware that some conspiracy theories have proven to be correct but most seem to be hoaxes. Am I wrong?

Nah, they're bollocks!

It's not worth me commenting further as I'm sure that this thread will be in the U Shaped Lounge by the morning where I can make no further contribution.

 

[63720]

Are you implying that young generations are responsible for all of this? Did you see the chart I provided?

I posted here in good faith about Greta Thunburg's health with my opinion on her tactics on how she appeals to young people and you challenged me. I'm not aware of young people abandoning social media in order to reduce co2 levels.

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