Ford Injector and Wet Belt issues

[Bern8]

If this allowed by admin can I ask if members who are on Facebook groups that have Motorhomes that use the Ford Chassis (mine is a Chausson and use the Ford Chassis for many of their Motorhomes). Many are having problems with fuel injectors and wet belt issues. A group has been set up to try and get numbers etc to bring to Fords attention.
Can I please ask for people to post the following link on their Facebook page:

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Many Thanks

 

[Sandancers]

It is mostly confined to the engine as fitted into the Transit Mk8 is it not ?

 

[Bognor Saint]

I don't do Facebook but I had an injector failure last year. Luckily still in Ford warranty. The ford dealer completed the 21B30 recall whilst they had it in the workshop.

 

[Bern8]

It is mostly confined to the engine as fitted into the Transit Mk8 is it not ?

Yes it is, it stretches over 4 to 5 years so people who have had issues with injector failure will be able to give good input on the page and admin on Facebook can collate facts to hopefully get a positive reply from Ford.

 

[Bern8]

I don't do Facebook but I had an injector failure last year. Luckily still in Ford warranty. The ford dealer completed the 21B30 recall whilst they had it in the workshop.

This is the info they are after in a questionnaire they are asking members to fill out. Some have had multiple failures. One guy is taking them to court in October.
If you are out of warranty they have been giving a gesture to some people which really is poor on a piece of equipment that is not fit for purpose.

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[SpeedyDux]

Wet belts are a time bomb. Avoid.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Wet belts are a time bomb. Avoid.

Yes, my son just had to have his changed on his Focus. A nightmare job for the garage and expensive of course. At the same time the local Volvo dealer did mine for £560, which not too bad for main dealer prices

 

[Bern8]

Yes, my son just had to have his changed on his Focus. A nightmare job for the garage and expensive of course. At the same time the local Volvo dealer did mine for £560, which not too bad for main dealer prices

I’ve not seen anyone have it replaced for less than £1000 on a motorhome.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I’ve not seen anyone have it replaced for less than £1000 on a motorhome.

I should have made it clearer; the Volvo has a traditional cambelt so thus the price quoted. I did not dare ask my son how much it cost him………..

 

[chatteris]

the belts shed fibres which blocks the oil pick up giving low oil pressure, if i had to have a wet belt engine it would get an oil change yearly and belt change at 5 years maximum/50000 miles maximum

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[Bern8]

the belts shed fibres which blocks the oil pick up giving low oil pressure, if i had to have a wet belt engine it would get an oil change yearly and belt change at 5 years maximum/50000 miles maximum

Ford have reduced their spec from 100 000 miles or 10yrs down to 60 000 miles or 6yrs.

 

[ontheroadagain]

More and more manufacturers are switching to Ford. I wonder what the wet belt failure rate is on a Ford motorhome? I suspect it is quite low due to motorhomes doing a low annual milage and perhaps being serviced more often than your average delivery van. What I don’t understand is why there are reports of some wet belts failing at relatively low mileages but others have had belts changed at over 100k miles and have said that the original belt looked like new.

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

I think there’s a couple of things

• Quality of oil. Some oils may damage the belt, if oil to the correct Ford spec is used every time, then the belt doesn’t deteriorate.
• Correct service intervals, I’m sure the multiple cold starts, engines not getting up to temperature, etc have detrimental effects on oil quality. This is often the case with lower than average mileage vehicles used only for short journeys. Services (oil changes) get pushed back to 2 years, but the oil has deteriorated or was poor quality to start with.

As chatteris says, regular, maybe annual oil changes, using the correct oil, and used for journeys where the engine gets up to temperature. Then ensure engine is not switched off mid-DPF regeneration (excess diesel injection causing oil dilution), might reduce the risk of failure.

Someone I know has a wet-belt Ford which has done well over 100k miles on the original belt. He regularly drives long distances, and the van is well serviced.

 

[JoshnPen]

I've had the wet belt replaced on my Ford car, i was told that the main cause of failure is using incorrect engine oil. I bought the car at 5 years old, so don't know what oil had been put in previously. When it is topped up with the wrong oil, over time the belt degrades.

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

Another issue with Ford wet-belts is the complexity and subsequent cost of replacing the belt on a 7+ year old vehicle. There are, I believe, quite a few specialist tools required, and it usually involves replacement of the belt cover, as well as the water pump and tensioner. If there is any concern about the belt deterioration, then the sump usually gets replaced too. The cover and sump are made of relatively flimsy metal and can easily be deformed, so if refitted, inevitably leak oil.

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[chatteris]

Another issue with Ford wet-belts is the complexity and subsequent cost of replacing the belt on a 7+ year old vehicle. There are, I believe, quite a few specialist tools required, and it usually involves replacement of the belt cover, as well as the water pump and tensioner. If there is any concern about the belt deterioration, then the sump usually gets replaced too. The cover and sump are made of relatively flimsy metal and can easily be deformed, so if refitted, inevitably leak oil.

if the belt has deteriorated oil strainer and or oil pump will need cleaning or replacing my mate has seen a few with oil pressure problems caused by wet belt fibres

 

[baldeaglenz]

Yes it is, it stretches over 4 to 5 years so people who have had issues with injector failure will be able to give good input on the page and admin on Facebook can collate facts to hopefully get a positive reply from Ford.

Hi from NZ.
We have a Ford Zefiro 696 purchased with a mere 11000k in 2021 on the clock and have had 3 injector failures to date up to 22000k with the latest yesterday on our way to a campsite. Luckily able to limp (mode) to local dealer. Is there a Ford forum / confirmed reason for this continuing to happen. I originally sourced info that injectors (had a bad batch from manufacturer Continental) and Ford were merely replacing by demand via failures.

 

[gus-lopez]

regular, maybe annual oil changes, using the correct oil, and used for journeys where the engine gets up to temperature.

and it usually involves replacement of the belt cover, as well as the water pump and tensioner.

& the sump. You'd be mad to refit a sump.they are made of metal ,so thin it deforms the same as the belt cover

Is there a Ford forum /

worldwide this one. https://fordtransit.org/forum/

 

[jezport]

If this allowed by admin can I ask if members who are on Facebook groups that have Motorhomes that use the Ford Chassis (mine is a Chausson and use the Ford Chassis for many of their Motorhomes). Many are having problems with fuel injectors and wet belt issues. A group has been set up to try and get numbers etc to bring to Fords attention.
Can I please ask for people to post the following link on their Facebook page:

Log in to Facebook

Log in to Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family and people you know.

www.facebook.com

Many Thanks

I had a mk 6 under warranty with under 20K on it in 2008 and it needed 4 injectors. Ford did them.in the end but make it difficult. They authorised 2 injectors first, and then the other 2 as it was only 50% improved!

 

[St3v3]

I think there’s a couple of things

• Quality of oil. Some oils may damage the belt, if oil to the correct Ford spec is used every time, then the belt doesn’t deteriorate.
• Correct service intervals, I’m sure the multiple cold starts, engines not getting up to temperature, etc have detrimental effects on oil quality. This is often the case with lower than average mileage vehicles used only for short journeys. Services (oil changes) get pushed back to 2 years, but the oil has deteriorated or was poor quality to start with.

As chatteris says, regular, maybe annual oil changes, using the correct oil, and used for journeys where the engine gets up to temperature. Then ensure engine is not switched off mid-DPF regeneration (excess diesel injection causing oil dilution), might reduce the risk of failure.

Someone I know has a wet-belt Ford which has done well over 100k miles on the original belt. He regularly drives long distances, and the van is well serviced.

The main issue with the belts is that the injector fault saw loads of diesel being thrown into the cylinder and then on into the oil. The first issues were with the ecu asking for oil changes at very low intervals because the quality had been degraded (by the diesel.) Ford botched that with a software update at first. Fast forward and you've got diesel degraded and failing wet belts.

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[BouncyBoatFolk]

I had a mk 6 under warranty with under 20K on it in 2008 and it needed 4 injectors. Ford did them.in the end but make it difficult. They authorised 2 injectors first, and then the other 2 as it was only 50% improved!

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Mike.

 

[Saucer]

Any advice as dealing with this issue right now .
19mths ago in Spain had to have 4 new injectors put in, van garaged for a week in Salamanca
21st Feb on way to NEC same thing happened again!!!
Garaged again but Ford say £1600 as out of warranty!!
I am in talks with Ford HO, injectors not fit for purpose so don’t think we should pay
Any thoughts

I had a dual mass fly wheel fail on a SMAX just out of warranty. The best Ford would do is offer to investigate at my cost. This would have cost nearly as much as my garage charged for fixing it (c. 1k). Mind you great car after that for years. My point is that Ford apparently don't give a sh*t about their reputation or have any flexibility regarding their warranty periods.