Food to France

[DDJC]

Heard British sausages described as 'Lips and a*seholes' ...

Make your own. Then you know exactly what is in them. This is my breakfast chipolata recipe.

2 lb pork belly, skinned, but not trimmed of fat
1 lb pork shoulder
2 slices white bread, preferably crusts
1 small onion finely chopped
2 ½ tsp. salt
1 ½ tsp. sage
1 tsp. freshly ground black pepper
½ tsp ground mace
½ tsp. nutmeg
½ tsp. thyme
½ tsp. lemon juice
½ tsp. mace
4 yards Sheeps casings
½ cup cold water

 

[DDJC]

One thing I would not take to France, is the crap sausage we have here. Theirs are much nicer, the French wouldn’t eat ours.

Never ever eat cheap sausages. I like French sausages, but they are oversalted. Mrs DDJC doesn't like them, but J covers everything in Tommy K, so they all taste the same,

You can't beat homemade or family butchers British sausages.

 

[DDJC]

They sell donkey meat sausage in France.I dare anyone to taste it...BUSBY.

Had horse sausage in Venice.
Tasted just like sausage.

 

[2657]

They sell donkey meat sausage in France.I dare anyone to taste it...BUSBY.

I have never seen donkey meat sausages, they sell horsemeat, don't know about sausages, I would have no qualms about trying either.

Most sausages are pure pork and with quality ones at €15+/kilo they are far superior to anything that I have tasted in the UK.

And Spanish one are all hoof and tooth.

The best sausages that I have tasted in Spain are from Catalonia called Butifarra, there are different types but the most common is plain and like a Cumberland sausage pure pork and seasoning, no rusk.

The best ones that I have had were from a butchers in Alcossebre, good ones in Consum and some Mercadona's.

We like them with white beans, Catalan style.

The other is a traditional sausage similar to

 

[busby]

I have never seen donkey meat sausages, they sell horsemeat, don't know about sausages, I would have no qualms about trying either.

Most sausages are pure pork and with quality ones at €15+/kilo they are far superior to anything that I have tasted in the UK.




The best sausages that I have tasted in Spain are from Catalonia called Butifarra, there are different types but the most common is plain and like a Cumberland sausage pure pork and seasoning, no rusk.

The best ones that I have had were from a butchers in Alcossebre, good ones in Consum and some Mercadona's.

We like them with white beans, Catalan style.

The other is a traditional sausage similar to

You must be using the wrong butchers in the UK..BUSBY.

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[2657]

You must be using the wrong butchers in the UK..BUSBY.

I have had some decent sausages from butchers in the UK I must admit but I have also had some awful ones.
Don't like silly flavours, plain pork or Cumberland which should have only pepper, no sage or other herbs, minimal or no rusk.
The best Cumberland sausage that I have tasted where from a butchers in Silloth in the 80's

 

[deleted79651]

Illegal, yes.
Smuggling? Not in my book. Smuggling is done for profit, not for personal consumption. 'Smuggling' suggests images of 18c brandy smuggling, or modern day narcotics, or even people smuggling. Hardly a packet of Lincolnshire sausages for tomorrows breakfast.

Anyway, the law isn't to protect the EU market. The underpinning laws that these rules apply to are part of the EU policy to ensure animal welfare and to prevent animal body part crime, e.g. rhino horns, ivory, etc.

However, not sure about north of the Tweed, but I haven't seen any rhinos down here in England. And the UK animal welfare standards are higher than that demanded by the EU. And those animal welfare standards were perfectly acceptable to the EU before we left. And the UK standards are unchanged.

But you are right, dogmatism isn't the right word, because the UK government has never spent any effort in trying to get an exemption for UK based on reciprocal parity. And they shouldn't. There are far more important areas of reciprocity, equivalence and harmonisation that they should be dealing with first as we consolidate our position as being the best place for global investment by being in Europe, but not the EU.

I didn't mention smuggling in my post; nor rhinos. The point is, there is an EU law, and attempts to break it or circumvent it are illegal. That is what I did post.

Steve

 

[Northernraider]

I didn't mention smuggling in my post; nor rhinos. The point is, there is an EU law, and attempts to break it or circumvent it are illegal. That is what I did post.

Steve

I thought the uk broke away from the EU so they could ignore their laws

The way i see it like the GB sticker ....if they dont enforce them then no point in having them.


But like someone else above said i ignore stupid laws i only abide by the sensible or moral ones.

In fact to be honest i rarely pay attention to laws .....i can't think of many things i dont do because its illegal ...i just wouldn't do them ......

I dont think most people dont commit murders because its illegal.

But a stupid law where taking an item of food in to europe was legal on December 30th but suddenly illegal on jan 2nd because of a pointless political decision is in my view made to be broken.

 

[DelMar]

The definition of smuggling has got nothing to do with profit, but the “import or export of anything against the law”.

 

[deleted79651]

I thought the uk broke away from the EU so they could ignore their laws

The way i see it like the GB sticker ....if they dont enforce them then no point in having them.


But like someone else above said i ignore stupid laws i only abide by the sensible or moral ones.

In fact to be honest i rarely pay attention to laws .....i can't think of many things i dont do because its illegal ...i just wouldn't do them ......

I dont think most people dont commit murders because its illegal.

But a stupid law where taking an item of food in to europe was legal on December 30th but suddenly illegal on jan 2nd because of a pointless political decision is in my view made to be broken.

Way off beam here.
1. UK left EU by giving Notice.It did not breakaway (qv Catalonia's attempt to break away from Spain)
2. The UK makes its own laws now
3. The EU makes their own laws, and the one under discussion concerns the import or carrying of products into the EU that would contravene the EU laws

Steve

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[2657]

Way off beam here.
1. UK left EU by giving Notice.It did not breakaway (qv Catalonia's attempt to break away from Spain)
2. The UK makes its own laws now
3. The EU makes their own laws, and the one under discussion concerns the import or carrying of products into the EU that would contravene the EU laws

Steve

The semantics of what we or others call the process of leaving the EU are unimportant.

I do not think that anyone disputes the fact that the acts we are discussing are now illegal under EU laws.

Would you agree that at the present moment in time that no harm can possibly be done to anyone in the EU or UK by the importation of these products, our rules are still exactly the same as those of the EU.

Like many laws some of us are prepared to break the law if no harm can come to others.

Many laws have been changed for the good by certain people demonstrating and breaking the law, causing minimum disruption to others obviously

 

[deleted79651]

The semantics of what we or others call the process of leaving the EU are unimportant.

I do not think that anyone disputes the fact that the acts we are discussing are now illegal under EU laws.

Would you agree that at the present moment in time that no harm can possibly be done to anyone in the EU or UK by the importation of these products, our rules are still exactly the same as those of the EU.

Like many laws some of us are prepared to break the law if no harm can come to others.

Many laws have been changed for the good by certain people demonstrating and breaking the law, causing minimum disruption to others obviously

It is not semantics, it's a clear distinction between exercising a power you have; and taking a power that you do not.

Steve

 

[Minxy]

I would not smuggle drugs or guns, but do feel that a bit of meat or dairy produce, for my own consumption,
is in a different league

Just take FB meat pies, no worries with 'meat' then (not sure if there's actually any real dairy in the pastry either!).

 

[2657]

It is not semantics, it's a clear distinction between exercising a power you have; and taking a power that you do not.

Steve

Whether it is semantics or not does it matter what we call it?
What matters is the outcome.

 

[DelMar]

Yes, but the big game changer was leaving the EU. What decisions they make such as
no imports of certain food from the UK by holiday makers, then blame our brilliant negotiators for not covering that eventuality. Don’t blame the EU, we are outsiders now, no longer club members, that’s what people wanted it seems. So take it on the chin. They have great food shops in France, don’t they?

In 1986 we visited friends in Finland, not then EU members who loved our bacon. Although Danish bacon, they could not buy it in Finland, only what they called American style bacon. We took 6lb of vacuum packed Danish lean back bacon from our local shop. This was not permitted then, but took a chance. Someone else on board told me he had half a lamb in his boot. As you can see, this was a law even then in some other countries. Nothing new.

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[EML]

Just relaxing with my post-lunch coffee here...

Found the relevant EU law/regulation/whatever in perhaps 60 seconds on Google. I should think that most dogs have a medical condition of some sort (life?) that requires food which is shelf-stable, doesn't weigh more than 2kg, and is a branded product in unbroken packaging, or is already open.

And I'm really disappointed that, after 4 pages, no-one has yet brought up the Nazis or Hitler. Does this count?

 

[Reusables]

I have never seen donkey meat sausages, they sell horsemeat, don't know about sausages, I would have no qualms about trying either.

Most sausages are pure pork and with quality ones at €15+/kilo they are far superior to anything that I have tasted in the UK.




The best sausages that I have tasted in Spain are from Catalonia called Butifarra, there are different types but the most common is plain and like a Cumberland sausage pure pork and seasoning, no rusk.

The best ones that I have had were from a butchers in Alcossebre, good ones in Consum and some Mercadona's.

We like them with white beans, Catalan style.

The other is a traditional sausage similar to

Well I'm going to put my vote in here for Aldi sausages.. I have no idea where they are made but to me they taste good and are definitely worth taking on a ferry or train....no not an airplane ! .


Ok shoot

 

[deleted79651]

Just relaxing with my post-lunch coffee here...

Found the relevant EU law/regulation/whatever in perhaps 60 seconds on Google. I should think that most dogs have a medical condition of some sort (life?) that requires food which is shelf-stable, doesn't weigh more than 2kg, and is a branded product in unbroken packaging, or is already open.

And I'm really disappointed that, after 4 pages, no-one has yet brought up the Nazis or Hitler. Does this count?

Godwin

 

[deleted79651]

Whether it is semantics or not does it matter what we call it?
What matters is the outcome.

'Whether it is semantics or not does it matter what we call it?' That's semantics ...

What matters is not the outcome, but the [legal] method by which it is achieved. If 'what matters is the outcome', then the apocryphal proclamation attributed to the late Rev Ian Paisley would have been perfectly reasonable: 'We'll have peace in Northern Ireland, even if we have to kill everyone to get it ...'

Steve

 

[minesapint]

Onions are toxic to dogs

He should have read the label, but I do not think it was written in Dogese. He did live to a fine old age though.

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[Madcaravanner]

OK JUST READ EVERY POST

Does ANYONE at all have a specific checklist of what IS ALLOWED

I know that not everyone gets turned over in a search but it's Sods Law that we will.
We are planning on staying at the Auchan in Boulogne as our first overnight stop so no worries there for shopping
BUT we understand Meat and meat products are out Fresh fruit and veg and seeds and all dairy products
But where do they draw the line Baked Beans ??

NO silly answers guys I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a decent official document that relates to TOURISM not trade

Beginning to think the rules are what the Douane guy thinks up on the day

 

[Coolcats]

OK JUST READ EVERY POST

Does ANYONE at all have a specific checklist of what IS ALLOWED

I know that not everyone gets turned over in a search but it's Sods Law that we will.
We are planning on staying at the Auchan in Boulogne as our first overnight stop so no worries there for shopping
BUT we understand Meat and meat products are out Fresh fruit and veg and seeds and all dairy products
But where do they draw the line Baked Beans ??

NO silly answers guys I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a decent official document that relates to TOURISM not trade

Beginning to think the rules are what the Douane guy thinks up on the day

BREXIT INFORMATION​

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ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT ITEMS I CAN BRING WITH ME TO THE EU?​

Yes the restrictions below apply.

Taking food and drink into EU countries
You can no longer take products of animal origin, such as any food or drink contain meat or dairy, or plants and plant products into the EU in your luggage, vehicle, or person. There are certain exemptions to this rule for quantities of powdered infant milk, infant food, confectionary, specialised foods and pet feed. If your item is not exempt, please consume or dispose of these items before reaching the EU border, otherwise you may be fined or prosecuted by the EU. Check the rules about taking food and drink into the EU on the European Commission website and view the Exports Fact Sheet for Personal imports from Britain to the EU (pdf).

Taking plants and plant products into EU countries
You will need a certificate to take certain plants and plant products into EU countries from 1 January 2021. Check the rules about taking food and drink into the EU on the European Commission website.
Taking food and drink into EU countries
You can no longer take products of animal origin, such as any food or drink contain meat or dairy, or plants and plant products into the EU in your luggage, vehicle, or person. There are certain exemptions to this rule for quantities of powdered infant milk, infant food, confectionary, specialised foods and pet feed. If your item is not exempt, please consume or dispose of these items before reaching the EU border, otherwise you may be fined or prosecuted by the EU. Check the rules about taking food and drink into the EU on the European Commission website.



View full details on UK government advice when travelling to the EU after 1 January 2021.


From the EU website:

Personal Imports​

Personal goods containing meat, milk or their products brought into the EU continue to present a real threat to animal health throughout the Union. It is known, for example, that dangerous pathogens that cause animal diseases such as Foot and Mouth Disease and classical swine fever can reside in meat, milk or their products. Therefore, pathogens could be introduced into the EUif personal goods containing meat, milk or their products are sent by post or carried in the baggage of travellers arriving from countries outside the EU, where such pathogens may be circulating.

Legislation​

The current rules are laid down in Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2019/2122Search for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••, which repeals and replaces the previously applicable Commission Regulation (EC) No 206/2009. This Regulation clearly explains to the general public the rules concerning the introduction of animal products into the EU. Namely:

• Travellers are not allowed to bring in meat, milk or their products, unless they are coming with less than 10 kilograms of these products from the Faeroe Islands or Greenland
• There is also an exemption for powdered infant milk, infant food, and special foods or special pet feed required for medical reasons, if weighing less than 2 kilograms and provided that:
  • such products do not require refrigeration before opening
  • that they are packaged proprietary brand products for direct sale to the final consumer, and
  • the packaging is unbroken unless in current use
• For fishery products (including fish and certain shellfish such as prawns, lobsters, dead mussels and dead oysters), travellers are allowed to bring in up to 20 kilograms or the weight of one fish if this is higher. However, there is no such weight restriction for travellers coming from the Faeroe Islands or Greenland
• For other animal products, such as honey, live oysters, live mussels and snails for example, travellers are allowed to bring in up to 2 kilograms
• These rules do not apply to animal products transported between the EU Member States, or for animal products coming from Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, San Marino or Switzerland.

Rules enforcement​

Enforcing the rules governing the introduction of personal consignments of meat, milk or their products is vital. Provisions include:

• The organisation of controls at EU entry points to detect the presence of illegal consignments of meat, milk or their products
• Where necessary, the deployment of appropriate detection aids such as scanning equipment and detector dogs to screen large quantities of baggage
• The seizure and destruction of personal consignments that are found to be in breach of the rules
• Mechanisms to ensure that those responsible for illegal consignments may be liable for costs or penalties

Background​

Following the 2001 Foot and Mouth Disease epidemic within the EU, the Commission considered that the mechanisms in place to prevent the introduction of personal consignments of meat, milk or their products should be strengthened across the EU.

First of all, the EU put an end to the temporary exemptions that had previously allowed personal consignments of meat, milk or their products to be carried into the EU without veterinary certification. These safeguard rules were laid down in Commission Decision 2002/995/ECSearch for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••. For more information, please refer to the following press releases:

• Tighter rules on personal imports of meat and milk into the EU (September 2002)Search for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••
• Stopping animal disease at the border: tighter rules on personal imports of meat and milk into the EU (December 2002)Search for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••

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[MisterB]

What's the worst that can happen ... A shrug of the shoulders is a common reaction in France .... Oops, pardon Monsieur .... Je ne comprehend pas, c'nest pas possible ? And let them imprison your sausages ....

 

[Lenny HB]

staying at the Auchan in Boulogne as our first overnight stop

There have been reports of immigrant problem there.

 

[busby]

OK JUST READ EVERY POST

Does ANYONE at all have a specific checklist of what IS ALLOWED

I know that not everyone gets turned over in a search but it's Sods Law that we will.
We are planning on staying at the Auchan in Boulogne as our first overnight stop so no worries there for shopping
BUT we understand Meat and meat products are out Fresh fruit and veg and seeds and all dairy products
But where do they draw the line Baked Beans ??

NO silly answers guys I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a decent official document that relates to TOURISM not trade

Beginning to think the rules are what the Douane guy thinks up on the day

More things in life to worry about.I shall carry on as usual,,Think France have abolished the Guilotine and Spain don't now have the firing squad...Lighten up everyone. BUSBY.

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[Wh05apk]

BREXIT INFORMATION​

---

ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT ITEMS I CAN BRING WITH ME TO THE EU?​

Yes the restrictions below apply.

Taking food and drink into EU countries
You can no longer take products of animal origin, such as any food or drink contain meat or dairy, or plants and plant products into the EU in your luggage, vehicle, or person. There are certain exemptions to this rule for quantities of powdered infant milk, infant food, confectionary, specialised foods and pet feed. If your item is not exempt, please consume or dispose of these items before reaching the EU border, otherwise you may be fined or prosecuted by the EU. Check the rules about taking food and drink into the EU on the European Commission website and view the Exports Fact Sheet for Personal imports from Britain to the EU (pdf).

Taking plants and plant products into EU countries
You will need a certificate to take certain plants and plant products into EU countries from 1 January 2021. Check the rules about taking food and drink into the EU on the European Commission website.
Taking food and drink into EU countries
You can no longer take products of animal origin, such as any food or drink contain meat or dairy, or plants and plant products into the EU in your luggage, vehicle, or person. There are certain exemptions to this rule for quantities of powdered infant milk, infant food, confectionary, specialised foods and pet feed. If your item is not exempt, please consume or dispose of these items before reaching the EU border, otherwise you may be fined or prosecuted by the EU. Check the rules about taking food and drink into the EU on the European Commission website.



View full details on UK government advice when travelling to the EU after 1 January 2021.


From the EU website:

Personal Imports​

Personal goods containing meat, milk or their products brought into the EU continue to present a real threat to animal health throughout the Union. It is known, for example, that dangerous pathogens that cause animal diseases such as Foot and Mouth Disease and classical swine fever can reside in meat, milk or their products. Therefore, pathogens could be introduced into the EUif personal goods containing meat, milk or their products are sent by post or carried in the baggage of travellers arriving from countries outside the EU, where such pathogens may be circulating.

Legislation​

The current rules are laid down in Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2019/2122Search for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••, which repeals and replaces the previously applicable Commission Regulation (EC) No 206/2009. This Regulation clearly explains to the general public the rules concerning the introduction of animal products into the EU. Namely:

• Travellers are not allowed to bring in meat, milk or their products, unless they are coming with less than 10 kilograms of these products from the Faeroe Islands or Greenland
• There is also an exemption for powdered infant milk, infant food, and special foods or special pet feed required for medical reasons, if weighing less than 2 kilograms and provided that:
  • such products do not require refrigeration before opening
  • that they are packaged proprietary brand products for direct sale to the final consumer, and
  • the packaging is unbroken unless in current use
• For fishery products (including fish and certain shellfish such as prawns, lobsters, dead mussels and dead oysters), travellers are allowed to bring in up to 20 kilograms or the weight of one fish if this is higher. However, there is no such weight restriction for travellers coming from the Faeroe Islands or Greenland
• For other animal products, such as honey, live oysters, live mussels and snails for example, travellers are allowed to bring in up to 2 kilograms
• These rules do not apply to animal products transported between the EU Member States, or for animal products coming from Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, San Marino or Switzerland.

Rules enforcement​

Enforcing the rules governing the introduction of personal consignments of meat, milk or their products is vital. Provisions include:

• The organisation of controls at EU entry points to detect the presence of illegal consignments of meat, milk or their products
• Where necessary, the deployment of appropriate detection aids such as scanning equipment and detector dogs to screen large quantities of baggage
• The seizure and destruction of personal consignments that are found to be in breach of the rules
• Mechanisms to ensure that those responsible for illegal consignments may be liable for costs or penalties

Background​

Following the 2001 Foot and Mouth Disease epidemic within the EU, the Commission considered that the mechanisms in place to prevent the introduction of personal consignments of meat, milk or their products should be strengthened across the EU.

First of all, the EU put an end to the temporary exemptions that had previously allowed personal consignments of meat, milk or their products to be carried into the EU without veterinary certification. These safeguard rules were laid down in Commission Decision 2002/995/ECSearch for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••. For more information, please refer to the following press releases:

• Tighter rules on personal imports of meat and milk into the EU (September 2002)Search for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••
• Stopping animal disease at the border: tighter rules on personal imports of meat and milk into the EU (December 2002)Search for available translations of the preceding linkEN•••

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I had not realised this also applied to plant products, so presably no veg/salad or even fruit to eat on the journey.

 

[3 cabbages]

We came over on BF /Portsmouth/Caen last wednesday afternoon - no checks for food whatsoever -

the Ferry was very quiet however it still took 30 mines to clear the authorities at Ouistreham.

We used -simplytestme.co.uk for lateral flow test,

Leo,

St Sever 14380, Calvados

 

[Reallyretired]

When I read the agreement way back, it was quite clear that food carried for consumption by the crew and passengers was OK. The EU is only concerned with food that leaves the vehicle once you're there.

I did quote the actual wording at the time here but can't be bothered to find it again. The famous ham sandwich incident was someone being over zealous.

 

[Coolcats]

I had not realised this also applied to plant products, so presably no veg/salad or even fruit to eat on the journey.

It’s always an adventure when going abroad so we plan to just have minimum supplies in board and get to a supermarket as soon as we get to France. No mess no fuss no hassle. I’m sure as time passes it will become clearer and for those who insist on british produce in the fridge can let us all know what happens as the regulations get more enforced. In the mean time just going to go with the flow.

 

[MisterB]

We will be taking our usual foodstuffs with us, bacon, sausages, a few home made (frozen) meals for the journey, along with breakfast cereals, tins and bottles and jars of 'stuff', we will also buy food as we travel in France, pretty much the same as we have always done.

I will also be taking over an air conditioning unit, and a large keter storage unit (for our static), BUT I will be declaring them at customs as required, I have receipts to show the value is below the value I am allowed to take into France without incurring import tax.

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