Fitting USB-C sockets-advice re fusing please. (2 Viewers)

[Ingwe]

On the driver’s side of the van (2012 Bailey 620 Approach) we have no USB sockets. The one 12v cigar lighter type socket is used for the TV and I don’t want to risk overloading that socket by adding a twin cigar socket and inserting a double USB-C socket in that.

I removed the Vision Plus aerial but retained the 12v power supply which is fused. I can’t recall the value of that fuse at the moment as the van is currently in storage. As the cupboard in which the aerial was located is on the driver’s side, I propose fitting a twin USB-C socket on the wardrobe wall and use the obsolete aerial power supply.

This the socket I want and it says it recommends a 10amp fuse. If the current fuse for power supply is 10A will this suffice or should I add a further fuse? If it is only, say 5A, can I just replace this with a 10A?

Any other tips/advice on fitting this socket, most welcome! TIA.

 

[ctc]

Use a 5 amp, in the very unlikely event that it blows replace it with the 10amp.

 

[Lenny HB]

Fuse rating depends on the cable size the fuse primary function is to protect the cable.
Apart from being the most expensive USB socket in the world if you are using both sockets at their max rating it will draw approx 6 amps.

 

[Lenny HB]

Use a 5 amp, in the very unlikely event that it blows replace it with the 10amp.

Not a good idea if the cable supplying it is only rated at 5 amp, good recipe for a fire.

 

[ctc]

Not a good idea if the cable supplying it is only rated at 5 amp, good recipe for a fire.

I thought he meant the existing fuse was a 10amp.

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[Ingwe]

I thought he meant the existing fuse was a 10amp.

I did mean that. Though I take Lenny HB ’s point that, if the fuse is only 5A, then the cable might be inadequate for the 6A draw. I will check this when next at the van.

 

[Ingwe]

Apart from being the most expensive USB socket in the world

They are expensive but I have faith in products supplied by 12v Planet. Most stuff like this is Chinese made and there are much cheaper UCB sockets available. Ya pays ya money…….

 

[Jabstatt]

Yes, this is an outrageous price!
Available for sub £10

Tony

 

[Ingwe]

Just looked at Vision Plus fitting instructions and they only rate it at 5A.

Power Supply
1. The Amplifier requires a 12-24 volt power
supply from a fused auxiliary outlet fed
from the battery. If wiring direct to a
battery we recommend an in-line fuse
(max 5 amp) on the positive wire. If
unsure please consult with a qualified
installer.
RED STRIPE +VE, BLACK –VE

So maybe I have to abandon the existing wiring from the Vision Plus and start again. PIA.

 

[Ingwe]

Yes, this is an outrageous price!
Available for sub £10

Tony

Similar quality?

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[Jabstatt]

Does the OP really need a fully waterproof USB inside the vehicle?
Its horses...

I have cheapo sockets inside and a Scanstrut outside!

Tony

 

[pappajohn]

How much.
Does that include an engineer flying over from Japan to fit it?

Companies like that just love buyers like you.

Try this instead

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[Ingwe]

How much.
Does that include an engineer flying over from Japan to fit it?

Companies like that just love buyers like you.

Try this instead

https://amzn.eu/d/01MUkKtn

Isn’t UCB-C.

 

[Ingwe]

Does the OP really need a fully waterproof USB inside the vehicle?
Its horses...

I have cheapo sockets inside and a Scanstrut outside!

Tony

Maybe it’s an omen for my so-far damp free van.

 

[Richard n Ann]

Or these Quick Charge aloominum ones, with voltage readout

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[pappajohn]

This one is .......thirteen quid.

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[Ingwe]

When I go to the van in the week I’ll measure the diameter of the existing cabling provided for the Vision Plus. I’ll use my digital calipers and post the results. Maybe the wiring is acceptable for a 10A draw even though the Vision Plus was only fused for 5A. It would be so much easier to use the existing wiring rather than figure out how to wire and route a new spur to the leisure battery.

 

[DBK]

I've recently gone down this route too and have the same concerns over current and, because I've bought cheapie ones, everything catching fire!

For those not sure what a USB socket is it looks like this, and yes, the cable isn't fully pushed in, but that's so you can see the size of it.

The cable has the same size plug at each end. Many will be familiar with USB cables with this size plug at the end which connects to the device but with the broader original USB plug at the other end. USB sockets use cables with the same sized plug at each end. The reason is because USB C sockets increase the charging voltage which would damage devices not designed for this, so the design is different to the traditional USB socket we are most familiar with.

USB devices communicate with the socket and can negotiate an increased voltage. The standard can go up to 48 volts I believe but I don't think my phone or tablet is going to ask for that. Realistically, 20 volts and 5A should be the absolute maximum, more likely much less but this maximum is 100W so a 12 volt supply should be able to provide up to 8A or so and I've taken this as the basis for the installation. The socket I've fitted can take two cables so possibly the current might reach 16A but I'm not planning to charge two devices at the same time and I suspect my cheapie socket couldn't deliver that anyway.

The socket is fitted where there was originally a cigar lighter fed by fairly hefty cables.

I'm going to add an in-line fuse and measure the current in the 12 volt feed but so far the socket appears to be working. At the bottom of the screenshot it says "charging rapidly" which indicates the socket has increased the charging voltage.

I'm not sure what Mrs DBK will think of the glowing Bad Robot face in the middle of the night - I suspect I'm going to he turning it off.

 

[1967bowesj]

I've recently gone down this route too and have the same concerns over current and, because I've bought cheapie ones, everything catching fire!

For those not sure what a USB socket is it looks like this, and yes, the cable isn't fully pushed in, but that's so you can see the size of it.

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The cable has the same size plug at each end. Many will be familiar with USB cables with this size plug at the end which connects to the device but with the broader original USB plug at the other end. USB sockets use cables with the same sized plug at each end. The reason is because USB C sockets increase the charging voltage which would damage devices not designed for this, so the design is different to the traditional USB socket we are most familiar with.

USB devices communicate with the socket and can negotiate an increased voltage. The standard can go up to 48 volts I believe but I don't think my phone or tablet is going to ask for that. Realistically, 20 volts and 5A should be the absolute maximum, more likely much less but this maximum is 100W so a 12 volt supply should be able to provide up to 8A or so and I've taken this as the basis for the installation. The socket I've fitted can take two cables so possibly the current might reach 16A but I'm not planning to charge two devices at the same time and I suspect my cheapie socket couldn't deliver that anyway.

The socket is fitted where there was originally a cigar lighter fed by fairly hefty cables.

I'm going to add an in-line fuse and measure the current in the 12 volt feed but so far the socket appears to be working. At the bottom of the screenshot it says "charging rapidly" which indicates the socket has increased the charging voltage.

I'm not sure what Mrs DBK will think of the glowing Bad Robot face in the middle of the night - I suspect I'm going to he turning it off.

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By cigar socket do you mean that or the power supply type socket, look very similar but power socket usually 140watts or I have seen 180w ones, think cigar would be more like 60 to 100w ones. What size is the fuse that feeds the original socket?

 

[Richard n Ann]

I've recently gone down this route too and have the same concerns over current and, because I've bought cheapie ones, everything catching fire!

For those not sure what a USB socket is it looks like this, and yes, the cable isn't fully pushed in, but that's so you can see the size of it.

View attachment 917174

The cable has the same size plug at each end. Many will be familiar with USB cables with this size plug at the end which connects to the device but with the broader original USB plug at the other end. USB sockets use cables with the same sized plug at each end. The reason is because USB C sockets increase the charging voltage which would damage devices not designed for this, so the design is different to the traditional USB socket we are most familiar with.

USB devices communicate with the socket and can negotiate an increased voltage. The standard can go up to 48 volts I believe but I don't think my phone or tablet is going to ask for that. Realistically, 20 volts and 5A should be the absolute maximum, more likely much less but this maximum is 100W so a 12 volt supply should be able to provide up to 8A or so and I've taken this as the basis for the installation. The socket I've fitted can take two cables so possibly the current might reach 16A but I'm not planning to charge two devices at the same time and I suspect my cheapie socket couldn't deliver that anyway.

The socket is fitted where there was originally a cigar lighter fed by fairly hefty cables.

I'm going to add an in-line fuse and measure the current in the 12 volt feed but so far the socket appears to be working. At the bottom of the screenshot it says "charging rapidly" which indicates the socket has increased the charging voltage.

I'm not sure what Mrs DBK will think of the glowing Bad Robot face in the middle of the night - I suspect I'm going to he turning it off.

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Your USB A (the bigger one) is also able to charge at a higher voltage. QC3 is Quick Charge 3

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[Richard n Ann]

I'm not sure what Mrs DBK will think of the glowing Bad Robot face in the middle of the night - I suspect I'm going to he turning it off.

That's why I bough the red version of mine, nicer at night

 

[rod_vw]

I think this web page will describe the power delivery of USB socket type capabilities as well as most.

My choice would be for the type with two PD (Power Delivery) USB C sockets and one QC 3.0 (Quick Charge) USB A sockets preferably NOT with blue lighting if possible.

Assuming the quoted figures on the Amazon advert for the triple outlet version are correct the maximum current drawn with all three sockets in use should not exceed 8.5Amps (ballpark, rounded figures)

The supplying cable size can be calculated at this page of the 12v Planet website. Remember that the -ve (chassis ground) connection length has to be included in this calculation.

 

[DBK]

I think this web page will describe the power delivery of USB socket type capabilities as well as most.

My choice would be for the type with two PD (Power Delivery) USB C sockets and one QC 3.0 (Quick Charge) USB A sockets preferably NOT with blue lighting if possible.

Assuming the quoted figures on the Amazon advert for the triple outlet version are correct the maximum current drawn with all three sockets in use should not exceed 8.5Amps (ballpark, rounded figures)

The supplying cable size can be calculated at this page of the 12v Planet website. Remember that the -ve (chassis ground) connection length has to be included in this calculation.

That page is out of date I think as it doesn't mention USB C where the charging voltage can be increased above 5 volts. USB C is more than just a different sized plug.

 

[HKF]

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Where did you get this socket from, please? I need to get some extra USBs in my MH, too

 

[DBK]

Where did you get this socket from, please? I need to get some extra USBs in my MH, too

I just did a Google search for "12 volt USB C sockets" and chose the Thlevel model - see screenshot below. I don't think I can really recommend them as it's only been fitted a few days. It seems to work but for how long remains to be seen.

We are off to France in a couple of months and that will be the first proper test.

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[HKF]

I just did a Google search for "12 volt USB C sockets" and chose the Thlevel model - see screenshot below. I don't think I can really recommend them as it's only been fitted a few days. It seems to work but for how long remains to be seen.

We are off to France in a couple of months and that will be the first proper test.

Thank you so much! I tried searching on Amazon but those didn't come up at all. I really like the look of them. Thanks x