Fiat ducato woes........again

[Smudger55]

Well once again we have ANOTHER Fiat Ducato problem resulting in a recovery back home from Cirencester, more about that in another post. I think we need to stop going away in Sep/Oct:

Oct 2021: Ripped rear end, my fault, insurance paid.
Sep 2022: Loss of power EGR/DPF - £6,400 Fiat paid for the parts.
Oct 2023: Comformatic Gear box problem: about £6,400, Fiat paid for parts
Oct 2024: Turbo charger problems.......costs ......wait and see.

Management and I just wonder is it all worth it. I'll post about the recovery later but we were recovered home in the end. Link below.

I have started some research, 2 links below and there are some posts on the Fiat Forum I will read again.

Thread 'Ducato (X250) 2.3 150: turbo boost sensor location ?'

Apr 2, 2018

Can anyone point me in the right direction as where I can find this ?

I have P0238 and P0238 codes which indicate low and high pressure faults. It seems reasonable to check the sensors cables first.

• Ridgeway
• Replies: 8
• Forum: Fiat

Thread 'Turbocharger/Supercharger Boost Sensor "A" Circuit High'

Jan 20, 2023

We’re in the Anti Atlas mountains in Morocco and the engine warning light came on a couple of days ago and the van went into limp mode. We managed to find a guy with and ODB and the error is Error is P0238 Turbocharger/Supercharger Boost Sensor "A" Circuit High which isn’t great but is fixable here. However we cleared the error and high stationary revs didn’t cause it again. We’ll go for a test drive today.

Any thoughts on this strategy? We’re at about 1000m. Van is a 2.3 2018 Ducato and it had a quantum remap last year.

• Jane NotRog
• Replies: 27
• Forum: Fiat

Anyway, we were driving north ton see grandchildren on a racing car experience on Monday. Well we still are, the site we booked has a glamping pod so they transferred the booking to that. Phew.

Thread 'Motorhome breakdown recovery experience'

Oct 23, 2024

Further to my post, Fiat Ducato Woes Again, link below I thought I would share a few thoughts of our first experience of this as follows:

1. I had this year taken out insurance and recovery with Adrian Flux so was unsure how breakdown and any recovery would pan out. Overall it worked in a timely manner, we were diagnosed within the hour and being recovered within 3hrs.
2. Dog with us: this I had registered within our policy and highlighted in our initial telephone call. I was advised, which might be the norm that the dog can only go in the cab if the driver allows, otherwise he goes in...

• Smudger55
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• Forum: Motorhome Chat

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[Landy Andy]

What is van doing/driving like?

 

[Smudger55]

What is van doing/driving like?

I have yellow warning light, message saying check engine but when it occurred I was approaching a lay by so stopped there. I was in 5th gear but felt that there could have been some loss of power. Its hard to say other than that.

 

[9Etype]

Checking the sensor cables sounds like a smart first step. And it's good that you’ve got a backup plan with the glamping pod!

 

[Saucer]

Do you have Fiat extended warranty?

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[Lenny HB]

What year is the van van & how many miles has it done?

 

[the1andonly]

Hoping youve got multiecuscan with you, if so a couple of tests and sensor locations,check pipework and connectors.

Turbo solenoid replacement

Words of Wisedom originaly from post by Fredastaire Open the bonnet. Now look behind the Dytech box to see a black painted drop bracket. Bolted in front of this bracket on rubber cotton reel antivibration mounts is...

www.fiatforum.com

MAP sensor Location and Multiecuscan data 2017 Twin EGR 2.3

This information was taken from a working 2017 Ducato. Parts of it maybe applicable to other models and general MAP sensors. Location. It is at front of engine on the inlet manifold Map sensor Multiecuscan Data This Gives sufficient info to...

www.fiatforum.com

 

[Smudger55]

Do you have Fiat extended warranty?

No, all these problems happened after expiration of warranty. Hindsight a wonderful thing but I have previously been successful if getting Fiat to pay up...... Well most of cost.

 

[Smudger55]

What year is the van van & how many miles has it done?

2019 and 24500 miles.

 

[Smudger55]

Hoping youve got multiecuscan with you, if so a couple of tests and sensor locations,check pipework and connectors.

Turbo solenoid replacement

Words of Wisedom originaly from post by Fredastaire Open the bonnet. Now look behind the Dytech box to see a black painted drop bracket. Bolted in front of this bracket on rubber cotton reel antivibration mounts is...

www.fiatforum.com

MAP sensor Location and Multiecuscan data 2017 Twin EGR 2.3

This information was taken from a working 2017 Ducato. Parts of it maybe applicable to other models and general MAP sensors. Location. It is at front of engine on the inlet manifold Map sensor Multiecuscan Data This Gives sufficient info to...

www.fiatforum.com

Hi the1andonly we communicate again. No I haven't, I'm not a mechanical person so will rely on repair outcome from Fiat service centre the MHome will be taken to. I have appreciated you advice before. I have and will continue to read up on the problem but basically these things shouldn't be happening, management and I are just normal people trying to enjoy retirement and Fiat are f@@@@@, should I say messing it up for us. Cheers Smudger55

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[StillGoing]

2019 and 24500 miles.

That’s the same age and mileage as ours

 

[gpat]

That’s the same age and mileage as ours

And ours.

 

[the1andonly]

Hi the1andonly we communicate again. No I haven't, I'm not a mechanical person so will rely on repair outcome from Fiat service centre the MHome will be taken to. I have appreciated you advice before. I have and will continue to read up on the problem but basically these things shouldn't be happening, management and I are just normal people trying to enjoy retirement and Fiat are f@@@@@, should I say messing it up for us. Cheers Smudger55

Yes it shouldn't be happening and i think youv'e had more than your share of aggro but please forgive me if i refuse to take my share pherhaps someone with a long warrenty can offer to take some grief. Preffereably someone high up in Stelantis could have some grief with thier company Ferrari, evens out the Karma.

 

[Smudger55]

Further to my original post "1, a week ago the same codes appeared together with P0401 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Following service/MOT today and investigation by Adam Morey, Portsmouth it appears it could be linked to EGR/DPF problems. Oh no!!!!

Had the warning light not disappeared then my MOT would have failed. Fortunately it was OK and passed.

Simon suggests however, I'll be better informed in the morning, that when I had the original repair, they might not have cleaned out the EGR cooler, which might be the cause of current problems.

You put your trust in these people and they let you down, excluding Simon.

So another night at Port Solent, hopefully home tomorrow with a return for CLEANING later this month.

I still try to live in hope, helps.

 

[Cliffyboy16]

Interesting how did you get Fiat to pay?

I was in Alicante Spain in the heavy rains in March. Before setting off I cleared the windscreen off little leaves and drove to the petrol station. Filled up with €50 cheap diesel (2.3 comfortmatic van had been treated to good stuff as Costco member) set off via a steep hill and van spluttered and red engine management light came on and lost power . Turned engine off & on and drove back around to petrol station to check I had put in Diesel -which I had. Gets to camp site and ended up taking off drivers front wheel arch to reach the end of the central windscreen scuttle pipe as it was clogged and the water had been flowing over engine bay as the scuttle connector pipe had overflowed.

Drove it automatic for the next 1k miles with no problem.

Topped up premium diesel no problems then topped again the cheap diesel (my mistake) then same thing happened red engine management light and no gears and loss of power, turned engine off & on and it was fine . This time it was happening every 10 mins so I decided to take the toll road to Bilbao in manual for safety. Drove fine in manual.
Arrived in AM Portsmouth to have a diagnostic test and it showed immobiliser 2 errors ( just had a new Ghost 11 immobiliser installed before trip -not a van biz one. Plus selespeed error.

They recommend I get the ghost immobiliser removed which I had done on Saturday to the dismay of the installer.

I now have glow plug yellow error symbol showing installer had no idea what it meant as it was showing no errors on his diagnostic laptop!

Not put van in Automatic since and it drives nice in manual. Haven’t done any further investigation as in hospital today for a little operation .

Sorry for the long message.

Did your van drive in manual ok

I was going to ask to borrow a member’s software diagnostic pc to check the error status now the ghost immobiliser has been removed .
I am facing a 6.8k bill

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[Cliffyboy16]

Interesting how did you get Fiat to pay?

I was in Alicante Spain in the heavy rains in March. Before setting off I cleared the windscreen off little leaves and drove to the petrol station. Filled up with €50 cheap diesel (2.3 comfortmatic van had been treated to good stuff as Costco member) set off via a steep hill and van spluttered and red engine management light came on and lost power . Turned engine off & on and drove back around to petrol station to check I had put in Diesel -which I had. Gets to camp site and ended up taking off drivers front wheel arch to reach the end of the central windscreen scuttle pipe as it was clogged and the water had been flowing over engine bay as the scuttle connector pipe had overflowed.

Drove it automatic for the next 1k miles with no problem.

Topped up premium diesel no problems then topped again the cheap diesel (my mistake) then same thing happened red engine management light and no gears and loss of power, turned engine off & on and it was fine . This time it was happening every 10 mins so I decided to take the toll road to Bilbao in manual for safety. Drove fine in manual.
Arrived in AM Portsmouth to have a diagnostic test and it showed immobiliser 2 errors ( just had a new Ghost 11 immobiliser installed before trip -not a van biz one. Plus selespeed error.

They recommend I get the ghost immobiliser removed which I had done on Saturday to the dismay of the installer.

I now have glow plug yellow error symbol showing installer had no idea what it meant as it was showing no errors on his diagnostic laptop!

Not put van in Automatic since and it drives nice in manual. Haven’t done any further investigation as in hospital today for a little operation .

Sorry for the long message.

Did your van drive in manual ok

I was going to ask to borrow a member’s software diagnostic pc to check the error status now the ghost immobiliser has been removed .
I am facing a 6.8k bill

I had a full fiat service with additional comfortmatic service(fluid was clear too) last May at AM Portsmouth . My van is 5 1/2 years old

 

[Smudger55]

Interesting how did you get Fiat to pay?

I was in Alicante Spain in the heavy rains in March. Before setting off I cleared the windscreen off little leaves and drove to the petrol station. Filled up with €50 cheap diesel (2.3 comfortmatic van had been treated to good stuff as Costco member) set off via a steep hill and van spluttered and red engine management light came on and lost power . Turned engine off & on and drove back around to petrol station to check I had put in Diesel -which I had. Gets to camp site and ended up taking off drivers front wheel arch to reach the end of the central windscreen scuttle pipe as it was clogged and the water had been flowing over engine bay as the scuttle connector pipe had overflowed.

Drove it automatic for the next 1k miles with no problem.

Topped up premium diesel no problems then topped again the cheap diesel (my mistake) then same thing happened red engine management light and no gears and loss of power, turned engine off & on and it was fine . This time it was happening every 10 mins so I decided to take the toll road to Bilbao in manual for safety. Drove fine in manual.
Arrived in AM Portsmouth to have a diagnostic test and it showed immobiliser 2 errors ( just had a new Ghost 11 immobiliser installed before trip -not a van biz one. Plus selespeed error.

They recommend I get the ghost immobiliser removed which I had done on Saturday to the dismay of the installer.

I now have glow plug yellow error symbol showing installer had no idea what it meant as it was showing no errors on his diagnostic laptop!

Not put van in Automatic since and it drives nice in manual. Haven’t done any further investigation as in hospital today for a little operation .

Sorry for the long message.

Did your van drive in manual ok

I was going to ask to borrow a member’s software diagnostic pc to check the error status now the ghost immobiliser has been removed .
I am facing a 6.8k bill

Regarding my original repair, Fiat paid for the parts, I paid labour. Parts came to about £4,000. There is a lot of information on the Fiat Forum, from which I was successful in getting this concession :

Post in thread 'Ducato P0401 P0402 P0236 P0238 and limp mode its 2017 Euro 6, EGR changed, What do I check next' https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/d...nged-what-do-i-check-next.491167/post-4653817

I drive automatically but occasionally drive in 4th manual to try and burn the soot. However if they have not done the repair properly, what chance do we have. Hope this helps.

 

[Cliffyboy16]

Regarding my original repair, Fiat paid for the parts, I paid labour. Parts came to about £4,000. There is a lot of information on the Fiat Forum, from which I was successful in getting this concession :

Post in thread 'Ducato P0401 P0402 P0236 P0238 and limp mode its 2017 Euro 6, EGR changed, What do I check next' https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/d...nged-what-do-i-check-next.491167/post-4653817

I drive automatically but occasionally drive in 4th manual to try and burn the soot. However if they have not done the repair properly, what chance do we have. Hope this helps.

Thanks I will catch up reading up on the Fiatforum threads tomorrow . I am too scared to drive in auto so will stay in manual until take van to the other Fiat garage who previously help me with a problem to see what they say too. Only have done 20k.

At 3k I had my 1st red error code and lost power. Apparently because I wasn’t opening the cab doors as I had internal locks as I used the habitation door so I wasn’t resetting the vacuum pump(something like that) so now I always use the cab door, make sure the Fiat Logo appears plus listen out for the pump noise and had been fine since…until recently

 

[CazPaul]

Aren’t modern engines wonderful, bloody hell £6400 for egr/dpf issues it doesn’t bear thinking about, this is why we have an old van and an old bike

You get there in the end, maybe not as quick or as smooth but you get there, the ice cream man will have gone home but you get there.

 

[the1andonly]

Regarding my original repair, Fiat paid for the parts, I paid labour. Parts came to about £4,000. There is a lot of information on the Fiat Forum, from which I was successful in getting this concession :

Post in thread 'Ducato P0401 P0402 P0236 P0238 and limp mode its 2017 Euro 6, EGR changed, What do I check next' https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/d...nged-what-do-i-check-next.491167/post-4653817

I drive automatically but occasionally drive in 4th manual to try and burn the soot. However if they have not done the repair properly, what chance do we have. Hope this helps.

It was october 2022 so just outside a two year warrenty Fiat should have given maybe within if Smudger55 had allready taken it in for related eg turbo problems

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[the1andonly]

Here are 3 guides i've written, the first is a compilation of what I've read

How does a twin egr engine work

The following is a description of a twin egr engine edited from https://mechcontent.com/ and other sources It is not a detailed examination of the Fiat engine, if theres anything obviously wrong please advise. The internal combustion engine uses...

www.fiatforum.com

the next 2 are basicaly my findings of a few years work and and a review of the long thread (now 80 pages)
a bit easier to read.

Twin EGR Problem

This does not refer to earlier single EGR systems or to later AdBlu SCR engines. Note this is a guide and not definative. It is up to you to make decissions. It is the result of my investigations of data from many contributors and discussion with...

www.fiatforum.com

Ducato twin EGR Engine with P0401 Code (2016 to 2019)

This does not refer to earlier single EGR systems or to later AdBlu SCR engines. Note this is a guide and not definative. It is up to you to make decissions. It is the result of my investigations of data from many contributors and discussion with...

www.fiatforum.com

 

[cyberyacht]

Modern engines seem too clever for their own good ISTM. Problems with old vehicles were self-fixable without the need for a remortgage of the house.

 

[Smudger55]

Left Simon today, MHome staying at Adams Morey. It looks like another EGR/ DPF Problem @ another cost of £8k.

I despair.

There is a suggestion that my first EGR/DPF replacement of which I paid labour only, outside warranty, that whilst parts were replaced some original components weren't cleared of soot. There is no hope for us

I had previously questioned the sooting up of the exhaust to the repairer at the time who advised it was not a problem.

This is causing a lot of stress for management and I. I'll put my trust in Simon but also seeking some recompense.

Living the dream has DIED.

 

[G7UXG]

I’d be interested to know the breakdown of costs for an EGR or DPF related problem. Why £8k ?

 

[Smudger55]

Here are 3 guides i've written, the first is a compilation of what I've read

How does a twin egr engine work

The following is a description of a twin egr engine edited from https://mechcontent.com/ and other sources It is not a detailed examination of the Fiat engine, if theres anything obviously wrong please advise. The internal combustion engine uses...

www.fiatforum.com

the next 2 are basicaly my findings of a few years work and and a review of the long thread (now 80 pages)
a bit easier to read.

Twin EGR Problem

This does not refer to earlier single EGR systems or to later AdBlu SCR engines. Note this is a guide and not definative. It is up to you to make decissions. It is the result of my investigations of data from many contributors and discussion with...

www.fiatforum.com

Ducato twin EGR Engine with P0401 Code (2016 to 2019)

This does not refer to earlier single EGR systems or to later AdBlu SCR engines. Note this is a guide and not definative. It is up to you to make decissions. It is the result of my investigations of data from many contributors and discussion with...

www.fiatforum.com

Thanks thedoneandonly, I've read a lot of your information. I was out of warranty, I've had results in Fiat covering most of the costs. I'm not mechanically minded so put my trust in the experts. Ha... where has that got me. Basically our MHome dreams have been SHATTERED.

I've left MHOME with Simon Adams Morey but I will also be seeking some sort of recompense. Thanks for all your input. Cheers Smudger55

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[Smudger55]

I’d be interested to know the breakdown of costs for an EGR or DPF related problem. Why £8k ?

Attached is the breakdown components of my first repair in 2022, Fiat covered £4,000 for parts outside of warranty. Simon, Adams Morey has suggested a similar repair now will be £8,000. I add that it may not require a full repair but..... doesn't look good.. It doesn't show cost of components but I paid £1,000 for labour. I believe the DPF is about £2k.

 

[G7UXG]

Costs are scary. Let’s hope it doesn’t require all of that again.

 

[IRHP]

Have you had the software update to version 32 done?

 

[Smudger55]

Have you had the software update to version 32 done?

I believe so, Simon suggests all software is up to date

 

[Saucer]

How awful for you. You pay a lot of money for your dream, you would expect some reliability.

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