Electricity costs

[iandsm]

Does anyone know what the average unit cost is being charged for electricity on CAMC sites which have a meter for EHU power ?

 

[Charlie57]

I thought they were not allowed to charge more than they pay for it

 

[iandsm]

I thought they were not allowed to charge more than they pay for it

Perhaps not but I would like to know why the price is. I think they pay a higher commercial rate than for domestic customers.

 

[Manic]

I think the commercial rate is cheaper than the domestic rate.

 

[Charlie57]

Perhaps not but I would like to know why the price is. I think they pay a higher commercial rate than for domestic customers.

As a business yes they pay a higher unit rate BUT as they are supplying the 'public' they will have benefited from the price cap, not sure how that works if they have two meters but I've had a letter from my leaseholder saying that the electric for the communal areas is at the price capped rate so would assume its the same for sites.

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[Hoovie]

I think the commercial rate is cheaper than the domestic rate.

Certainly wasn't when there was a cap, and especially when there was a subsidy. I don't know for sure by any means but I think commercial rate is higher and likely always been higher.

 

[Charlie57]

I think the commercial rate is cheaper than the domestic rate.

If you use mega watts possibly but when I had a business it was around 30% dearer just like rates, gas etc etc.

 

[Pausim]

Does anyone know what the average unit cost is being charged for electricity on CAMC sites which have a meter for EHU power ?

They say they will not charge more than it is costing them. These are the rates shown on their website.

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[Pausim]

When I was on a metered CL pitch earlier this year I used less than 5 units per day. I used my refillable gas for heating, hot water and cooking. I continued to use my electric kettle (1800W), had the fridge on mains, charged our phones/pads and used the 12V mains charger. My use also includes running a CPAP all night. At CAMC rates this would be about £2 per day and for all but July this would be offset or more than offset by the proposed pitch fee reduction.

I only use their sites occasionally but the metering will not put me off. I would much rather pay for what I use than be subsidising someone else trying to heat or air condition their awning (and the rest of the County).

 

[starquake]

Having just stayed all weekend at a CACC site, on the GRASS30 code with no EHU, ie, Grass with no EHU at sub £20 a night, I'm loathe to use a EHU. Reason: Both the MH batt, and my own batt for use with the tech stuff survived entirely on solar, and I doubt in summer to mid Oct I'll need EHU.

That said the CAMC rate is ridicolous given wholesale rates are now below 20p a kwh on a new commerical contract signed now. I suspect they've got a long term deal with the likes of British Gas who are not exactly competitive at present. It should drop next year. Intesting thing though, unless you have a special deal you are not permitted to resell electricity at above the cost you pay ((caveat unless you are a regulated power supplier.. - this is something we fround from the in-laws static site)) So I doubt any site doing metering will be greatly above commercial rates ever, unless they got a rubbish deal! I won't mind metering for use in winter.

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[Pausim]

I thought the wholesale rates and the commercial rates were different. Wholesale being what the electricity suppliers pay for it not what their customers pay them.

 

[pappajohn]

I thought they were not allowed to charge more than they pay for it

They aren't......you will pay the electric companies standard rate, But they can charge what they want for use of their infrastructure over and above any electric charges. IE: hookup bollard and cabling.

 

[starquake]

I thought the wholesale rates and the commercial rates were different. Wholesale being what the electricity suppliers pay for it not what their customers pay them.

If you are large enough and arguably the clubs should be, you pay Wholesale +- a % if you go variable rate billed half hourly. Just most commercial users like to "fix" for budget certainty, and then you are subject to higher rates. The wholesale rates for most of this last month (July) have been low sub 20p, except 5pm-7pm, and on 3 days, the prices have actually been negative, ie, they pay you to takeoff electricity.

Arguably all the above would also be too complex to re-bill to us users!

 

[starquake]

If you use mega watts possibly but when I had a business it was around 30% dearer just like rates, gas etc etc.

Yeah, but the clubs DO use MW -> think of all the posts in all the sites. A single business yes, it will be dearer. I worked for an oil firm, and they charged us "workers" 6p a unit in 2020 and 2021 for electric car charging which was apparently close to their "costs" on supply back then. Back when a small bsuiness I knew was paying 25p. Says it all really that small one site businesses and CL's will pay 40p, but the clubs should NOT be if they have any business sense at all.

 

[TinaLes]

Reading this with interest, not that we have any intention of using a CMC site in the future, but!, can someone tell me what, if any, discounts are now being offered on pitch prices without EHU, or a Metered EHU pitch.
I am pleased to read that metered pitches are now being offered, even if it will take time to get all their sites on this arrangement, its so much fairer, that everyone pays the same rate for what they use, rather than a blanket £5/7 a day, which of course encourages misuse by some, making sure to get "their monies worth" etc.
That blanket electric fee was the main reason we left the CMC, especially when energy rates went through the roof. Makes me wonder if they would ever have introduced this metered "fair play" facility, if rates had have remained as they were in normal times?
LES

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[Pausim]

Yeah, but the clubs DO use MW -> think of all the posts in all the sites.

I somehow doubt the CAMC will get the same deal for 160 individual sites with modest consumption as a steel works or glassworks gets with massive consumption at one location. I am not even sure they would count as a major electricity consumer. Most of their sites appear to use LPG for heating and hot water in the communal areas. Many of them close for the high demand winter months. They are not in a position to cut their usage at peak times which is often required of commercial users.

 

[Springy]

They say they will not charge more than it is costing them. These are the rates shown on their website.
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Smart metering and non-electric saver pitches

We’re introducing new ways to help our members and guests consume less electricity whilst staying on our Club Sites with smart metering and non-electric saver pitches.

www.caravanclub.co.uk

My domestic charge is 30.22p per kWh.

 

[Pausim]

Domestic and commercial charges are different, we have price capped rates.

 

[starquake]

Isn't the current rate for 12 mo business energy (clue it's lower) now. I think I linked a website showing average business 12 month rate offers earlier, but it's currently around 28p for a fix now. But it's substantially lower for businesses taking half hour metering (and high peak price, but cheap overnight rates). But you cant' get such deals if you are a "small consumer" negotiating a single site.

I still think a lot of this is down to CAMC taking likely a 12 mo fix at probably 60 ish p or 99p which were rates about 12 mo ago. That is not the current rate!