Do you have a ring doorbell?

[Gromett]

Did you know?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/01/ring-doorbell-app-packed-third-party-trackers

 

[Wildbill]

I don't even have phone with internet now
bill

 

[Coolcats]

It’s a hard choice deter burglary or have a video door bell. At least it’s on the outside of the house and not listening to every spoken word. This is the problem with the connected world (including 5g and smart cars)

 

[Nanniemate]

Room 101 is waiting for you...……………………...……...

 

[hilldweller]

Did you know?

Good wake up call.

So many people use similar "cloud" based devices, how many are bugged ? I have just one, a central heating controller ( Salus IT500 ). That works, I guess, the same way, the internet connection plugs into my LAN and passes goodness-knows-what to some server, together with the heating controls.

I wonder how many on here do the same and have IP cameras.

And of course there are many on here who self-bug with Alexa and the rest.

What have we done !!!

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[Jim]

It’s a hard choice deter burglary or have a video door bell

Do they deter burglars? The jury is out on that one.

Video doorbell firm Ring says its devices slash crime—but the evidence looks flimsy

Amazon paid $1 billion for the security company. Our data analysis questions the claims that purchase was based on.

www.technologyreview.com

 

[Coolcats]

Do they deter burglars? The jury is out on that one.

Video doorbell firm Ring says its devices slash crime—but the evidence looks flimsy

Amazon paid $1 billion for the security company. Our data analysis questions the claims that purchase was based on.

www.technologyreview.com

Here is a thought Vanbitz believe having a red flashing led means that a potential thief would choose a van that has no visible anti theft rather than the one parked next to it that has a visible deterrent. The same is for visible security vs a sleepy house that could be easy pickings.

just one other point the report you posted mentions Android I did not see the same for Apple OS which tends to be more locked down ( unless you open up the security).

 

[Jim]

Here is a thought Vanbitz believe having a red flashing led means that a potential thief would choose a van that has no visible anti theft rather than the one parked next to it that has a visible deterrent. The same is for visible security vs a sleepy house that could be easy pickings.

just one other point the report you posted mentions Android I did not see the same for Apple OS which tends to be more locked down ( unless you open up the security).

You are comparing two very different things. It is a sport to nick the doorbells themselves, there is loads of evidence of this. the doorbells do not deter, they might even attract thieves. Meanwhile How many vans are nicked with vb alarms?

Police warning over RING doorbell cameras being stolen across several Leeds areas

Police have issued a warning over the theft of RING video recording doorbells in several Leeds areas this week.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

Anti‑theft doorbells stolen by burglars

Smart doorbells designed to prevent crime are having the opposite effect as thieves simply rip them off the doorframe and sell them on the black market.The devices, made by the Amazon-owned company Ring, have a camera that records visitors as they approach the door and streams the video to the homeo

www.thetimes.co.uk

Ding dong, the doorbell's gone: Pricey video buzzers become a target

Jenny Barton, 37, said her £139 doorbell camera was torn off the front of her three-bedroom home in Eltham, south-east London. Footage shows a man in a balaclava pulling the device off in seconds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Coolcats]

You are comparing two very different things. It is a sport to nick the doorbells themselves, there is loads of evidence of this. the doorbells do not deter, they might even attract thieves. Meanwhile How many vans are nicked with vb alarms?

Police warning over RING doorbell cameras being stolen across several Leeds areas

Police have issued a warning over the theft of RING video recording doorbells in several Leeds areas this week.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

Anti‑theft doorbells stolen by burglars

Smart doorbells designed to prevent crime are having the opposite effect as thieves simply rip them off the doorframe and sell them on the black market.The devices, made by the Amazon-owned company Ring, have a camera that records visitors as they approach the door and streams the video to the homeo

www.thetimes.co.uk

Ding dong, the doorbell's gone: Pricey video buzzers become a target

Jenny Barton, 37, said her £139 doorbell camera was torn off the front of her three-bedroom home in Eltham, south-east London. Footage shows a man in a balaclava pulling the device off in seconds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Go to Ring and they will give you a replacement as a courtesy service
Important notes concerning the Ring theft replacement policy:

• The replacement of stolen Ring units is a courtesy service provided by Ring. Ring reserves the right to deny this service at any time due to suspected fraud, malfeasance, or any other cause.
• Notifications of device theft must be received within 15 days of the date the theft occurred. Honoring the stolen item replacement policy subsequent to 15 days after the theft of a Ring device is solely at the discretion of Ring.
• Replacement devices offered under this policy are offered on a "like for like" basis. The replacement device will be the same make and model as the original stolen device.

 

[Jim]

Go to Ring and they will give you a replacement as a courtesy service

They have to offer that service because so many are stolen. Deter crime! Attract it more like.

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[grumfy]

We have a Ring doorbell and a Bitdefender Box. The door bell has its uses but it is very slow to connect and any thief will have made off before I could contact them as shown on their TV advert.
As to the Box, described as smart home cybersecurity hub it seems to be shielding all of our connected devices,12 and that was a shock. But how much data they are filtering off is anyones guess.
Individuals stand no chance but you have to do the best you can.

 

[Jim]

They look like a good idea, I don't think I'd buy a Ring model though https://nordvpn.com/blog/ring-doorbell-hack/

 

[Peskyrabbitt]

I was given a Ring video door bell 2 as a xmas gift from my Brother in law, I had heard of them but never really given it much thought to purchase one, luckily we stay semi rural and never really see or hear of any crime as of yet? My Brother in Law thought it was ideal for us, as we go away a lot in our MH, Anyway we have used it and all was good until the 30 days were up, we were then notified that to continue to see or store videos you need to pay a subscription ( £3.99 a month I think for basic ) We were shocked as am sure many people have been. Its not about the money its the principle. I have done lots of research since having this installed and well aware of the hacking possibilities. that and with having to pay for the videos has put me off the device. but i don,t want to offend my Brother in Law and tell him this so will probably leave as is and pay the subscription fee. but if I don,t it basically becomes a £180 door bell. i have read that you can continue to see live videos without subscription but you have to answer the door bell app in 5-7 seconds, yea right!!

OOPS I have just advertised the fact that I have a hack-able doorbell. DOH !!

 

[Stroppy Bird]

I was given a Ring video door bell 2 as a xmas gift from my Brother in law, I had heard of them but never really given it much thought to purchase one, luckily we stay semi rural and never really see or hear of any crime as of yet? My Brother in Law thought it was ideal for us, as we go away a lot in our MH, Anyway we have used it and all was good until the 30 days were up, we were then notified that to continue to see or store videos you need to pay a subscription ( £3.99 a month I think for basic ) We were shocked as am sure many people have been. Its not about the money its the principle. I have done lots of research since having this installed and well aware of the hacking possibilities. that and with having to pay for the videos has put me off the device. but i don,t want to offend my Brother in Law and tell him this so will probably leave as is and pay the subscription fee. but if I don,t it basically becomes a £180 door bell. i have read that you can continue to see live videos without subscription but you have to answer the door bell app in 5-7 seconds, yea right!!

OOPS I have just advertised the fact that I have a hack-able doorbell. DOH !!

It's £2.50 per month or £24.99 per year

 

[Peskyrabbitt]

It's £2.50 per month or £24.99 per year

Thanks for the correction

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[Coolcats]

They look like a good idea, I don't think I'd buy a Ring model though https://nordvpn.com/blog/ring-doorbell-hack/

Same as I wouldn’t buy a Tesla ?

 

[Coolcats]

Neither would I, Same as I wouldn’t buy a Tesla ?

 

[two]

The moment you start using the web, you are providing information that others could intercept and use for their own purposes. Smart electricity meters can be included here; it would be easy to determine if the occupants of a property are away or not. Having said that, there are bigger dangers to worry about.

 

[Gromett]

It’s a hard choice deter burglary or have a video door bell. At least it’s on the outside of the house and not listening to every spoken word. This is the problem with the connected world (including 5g and smart cars)

Erm. I thought you were a technology person? Did you read the article?

The software is on the android phone which does have a mic (and a camera). They are selling your data...

So, If you use your phone to access it, you are letting them and their partners know your IP address each time. If the IP address doesn't match the ring doorbell public IP they know you are not at home.
Because they have your IP, they can track you where ever you go on the internet. They will know your porn habits, shopping habits and all your interests.

What happens if it gets hacked?

If you give it permission to access your mic so you can talk to whoever is at your front door then the app can listen into you wherever you are. Guessing they won't be interested in your toilet strains etc

 

[Coolcats]

Erm. I thought you were a technology person? Did you read the article?

The software is on the android phone which does have a mic (and a camera). They are selling your data...

So, If you use your phone to access it, you are letting them and their partners know your IP address each time. If the IP address doesn't match the ring doorbell public IP they know you are not at home.
Because they have your IP, they can track you where ever you go on the internet. They will know your porn habits, shopping habits and all your interests.

What happens if it gets hacked?

If you give it permission to access your mic so you can talk to whoever is at your front door then the app can listen into you wherever you are. Guessing they won't be interested in your toilet strains etc

I am, I did, so don't grant access to your microphone the only secure network is an unconnected one, as I say I did not see mention of Apple OS which tends to be more tied down and you have to grant access or an app can't share data. As they say you pay your money and you take your choice.

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[Gromett]

I am, I did, so don't grant access to your microphone the only secure network is an unconnected one, as I say I did not see mention of Apple OS which tends to be more tied down and you have to grant access or an app can't share data. As they say you pay your money and you take your choice.

It was quite clear in the article that this was about ring doorbells and the android app. No idea why you brought up the mic on the doorbell and what has Apple OS got to do with it?

You sound like an Apple user so you might not be aware that Android also has per app permissions which you have to allow to use the app and to give that app permission to access the hardware.
If you don't enable the mic you lose the ability to talk to the person at the door as if you were there.


Getting back to the point. This article is about Ring selling client data from android phones. That was the warning. No idea why you disappeared into the bushes?

 

[olsgreen]

Getting back to the point. This article is about Ring selling client data from android phones. That was the warning. No idea why you disappeared into the bushes?

I could have missed it but where does the article state that ring are 'selling user data'? It states that device manufacturers have been caught doing so but not ring themselves...

 

[Gromett]

I could have missed it but where does the article state that ring are 'selling user data'? It states that device manufacturers have been caught doing so but not ring themselves...

It is the Ring app that is packed with the evesdropping software. Says so in the first paragraph.


"Ring isn't just a product that allows users to surveil their neighbors. The company also uses it to surveil its customers.


An investigation by EFF of the Ring doorbell app for Android found it to be packed with third-party trackers sending out a plethora of customers’ personally identifiable information (PII). Four main analytics and marketing companies were discovered to be receiving information such as the names, private IP addresses, mobile network carriers, persistent identifiers, and sensor data on the devices of paying customers."

 

[tribalbrit]

My daughter and her fella have one of these door bells. a few weeks back it pinged fellas phone to tell him some one was at the door, he was at work and when he viewed the image through the door bell the guy that rang it proceeded to take off his clothes while standing at their door, which is wide open to the street.
Strange folk.

 

[DJA]

Ring are owned by Amazon. Maybe they use the doorbell to check outdoors and Alexa for indoors.

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[SpeedyDux]

Ring are owned by Amazon. Maybe they use the doorbell to check outdoors and Alexa for indoors.

If it was properly co-ordinated then you would expect Amazon deliveries only when you are at home.

Wouldn't apply to me because I have neither Ring nor Alexa, location permissions refused on the Android
smartphone (hardly ever switched on). Now where did I leave my tinfoil hat ...

 

[olsgreen]

It is the Ring app that is packed with the evesdropping software. Says so in the first paragraph.

With all due respect, surveilling customers and selling their data are two different things.

A large majority of apps, sites (including this one) and devices will use similar third party services for various metrics and intelligence on their user base. The identifiable data is used internally and not resold, the third party services do not use the data for their gain.

Incomplete reporting in my opinion, looks like the author has a problem with ring.

 

[Hollyberry]

Maybe I’ll just stick with my metal clanger bell fixed to the wall (£10 National Trust and no monthly charges ?)

 

[romany]

You can hear the conversation can't you burglar rings door bell owner answers via mobile says sorry can't come to door at moment thief why not , owner we are on holiday, thief how long, owner 5 more days, thief to his friend bring in the 7 tonner wev'e got 5 days to empty the place oh and don't forget the door bell

 

[autoswan]

I got one of these

A lot cheaper than ring but does the same things, maybe ok ? But who knows what's hidden in lots of other apps people use often ?

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