Creating a 'Glamp' site

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Hello Everyone

My names Dawsey and some may have followed the more than two year saga of my better half Bea and I's long, drawn out and ultimately futile attempt to relocate to France in this post Brexit world to buy and /or develop a camping/glamping business. Our search, which saw us criss cross France in our trusty old camper 'Helga' is all laid bare in a rambling 50 page thread on here.

That thread ended with us ultimately tiring of all the new difficulties, hurdles, hoops and costs and being forced to give up on the French dream and lick our wounds back in the UK in a field next to a pub, in the end just another sad footnote to the damage done to the aspirations and futures of millions in this country and beyond.

For us, the good news was that we did in the end find a gem of a place to live and a piece of land with loads of potential just 20 miles from where I grew up in the Lakes (LUXURY! - I used to dream of living in a lake...!) so I have been able to 'come home' after 30 years away and still chase the dream.

The dream was always to develop a twin pronged camping operation, a simple paid 'aire de camping car' as they are called in France, with the most successful business being Camping Car Park or CCP, and an upmarket Glamorous Camping or 'Glamping' offering based around a handful of luxury units with hot tubs, kitchens, bathrooms, views. One would be a pretty low maintenance income stream by providing simple low cost secure overnight parking in a nice peaceful and tranquil location with basic facilities to camper-vanners, caravanners and motorhomers, the other was to be a higher investment but higher revenue and higher effort offering catering to young hipsters and instagrammers and those looking for a more luxurious and obviously far higher cost stay.

This idea and dream has never changed, it is mapped out on the first page of the first thread and I'm confident we can achieve it with what we have bought - which we completed on and arrived at just a week ago. There's obviously a few little challenges ahead though, not least we still remain living in Helga, our furniture is still in storage in Kent, the land resembles a tip in places and the house was soaking wet inside, and has no heating, no hot water, no kitchen and no functioning bath or shower rooms. I've already put temporary repairs to the leaky roofs, industrial dehumidifiers have been running constantly for a week, and with a little bit of warmer drier weather the house and spa is just beginning to dry. Well, it was until my attempts to recommission both the high pressure hot water system and the spa baths in a bathroom and the swimming pool room (we havent had a bath in over two years) reintroduced some, ahem, more wetness. It doesn't help that many of the pluvial drains seem to be blocked.

In this new thread, if anyone is interested, I will be charting, in a similar-ish timeframe how we create something out of what I think could be a real diamond of a place. Priorities are the roofs, clearing trees, big solar, multiple heat pumps and tidying the land - oh and Bea wants a kitchen and a bathroom.

Naturally I started with the garage.... :)
 
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psssssssssssssssssst you maybe wanna change your location under your avatar!:whistle2:

Just tell Bea you needed to fix up the garage first to give you somewhere to temporarily store the new bathroom and kitchen pending installation.(y) (note, and just in case she's peering over your shoulder : no timescale mentioned!)
 
Great to see you will be taking us along on your refurb.

What timeframe are you hoping to get it all done and open to the paying public?

Don't forget we like to see lots of photos.

Good luck with it all.

I'd like to have something for next summer, but that's probably not realistic. Step 1 is applying for permission, and we can't do that until we have developed a clear idea of how it's going to be, what we can afford etc. It will follow the usual route of starting as Las Vegas and after a reality check, financial consideration and once through the planning process it will be a bivvy tent in the garden :)

Do you think if I don't constantly upload pics that some folks might not believe it?? ;)

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If you are interested just up the the from me there is a small company who makes very luxurious shepherd huts, not the small ones but really big, really posh, the kind where you can live in with a family of four easily enough, they do deliver and set them up, they come with a beautiful kitchen , bathroom, upstairs bedroom etc, plug in to water and electric feed and of you go, instant rental income, the company is called my shires based just outside Cheltenham 👍
 
I'd like to have something for next summer, but that's probably not realistic. Step 1 is applying for permission, and we can't do that until we have developed a clear idea of how it's going to be, what we can afford etc. It will follow the usual route of starting as Las Vegas and after a reality check, financial consideration and once through the planning process it will be a bivvy tent in the garden :)

Do you think if I don't constantly upload pics that some folks might not believe it?? ;)
It's not that I don't believe you it's that I'm just nosey ::bigsmile:
 
The website is my shire houses
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I'd like to have something for next summer, but that's probably not realistic. Step 1 is applying for permission, and we can't do that until we have developed a clear idea of how it's going to be, what we can afford etc. It will follow the usual route of starting as Las Vegas and after a reality check, financial consideration and once through the planning process it will be a bivvy tent in the garden :)

Do you think if I don't constantly upload pics that some folks might not believe it?? ;)
Quite possibly. 😂
 
If you are interested just up the the from me there is a small company who makes very luxurious shepherd huts, not the small ones but really big, really posh, the kind where you can live in with a family of four easily enough, they do deliver and set them up, they come with a beautiful kitchen , bathroom, upstairs bedroom etc, plug in to water and electric feed and of you go, instant rental income, the company is called my shires based just outside Cheltenham 👍
Thanks - we will check them out. We picked up loads of ideas from our travels and from going to french campsite shows. My personal faves were the hobbit houses, tree houses, and luxury stargazing hot tubs on stilts. All cost a fortune though. I wish I was a carpenter, Bea already thinks I have a bit of a Jesus syndrome... :) 'He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!'

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Raul is your man for all things solar etc. Well worth contacting him to discuss various options/opportunities etc. get that garage roof covered in solar and don't believe all the hype about second hand panels - it can be a cheap way to start getting some 'free power'. Raul can also build you some batteries a lot cheaper than you can buy them !!
 
Thanks - we will check them out. We picked up loads of ideas from our travels and from going to french campsite shows. My personal faves were the hobbit houses, tree houses, and luxury stargazing hot tubs on stilts. All cost a fortune though. I wish I was a carpenter, Bea already thinks I have a bit of a Jesus syndrome... :) 'He's not the messiah!'
If it's also a cycling area, I saw some great cycling pods in Germany, basically an elevated sleeping pod with secure bike storage underneath.
 
Forgot to mention, there is a company at Tebay that sells very nice glamping huts. We were there in January and they had them on sale so might be worth popping in if passing as they don’t seem to advertise them on their website.

 
Thanks - we will check them out. We picked up loads of ideas from our travels and from going to french campsite shows. My personal faves were the hobbit houses, tree houses, and luxury stargazing hot tubs on stilts. All cost a fortune though. I wish I was a carpenter, Bea already thinks I have a bit of a Jesus syndrome... :) 'He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!'
These guys are great and make all sorts, and the price is very very competitive

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Raul is your man for all things solar etc. Well worth contacting him to discuss various options/opportunities etc. get that garage roof covered in solar and don't believe all the hype about second hand panels - it can be a cheap way to start getting some 'free power'. Raul can also build you some batteries a lot cheaper than you can buy them !!
ditto from me
 
Raul is your man for all things solar etc. Well worth contacting him to discuss various options/opportunities etc. get that garage roof covered in solar and don't believe all the hype about second hand panels - it can be a cheap way to start getting some 'free power'. Raul can also build you some batteries a lot cheaper than you can buy them !!
Yep. I intend to. I designed the system on a rainy day last week. I can fit 30kW of panels to the roof, and it will use two Fox invertors and use an electric car as the battery. Bea is about to have the idea to have an electric car for her next car...

I will install invertors with spare slots and post planning a wind turbine will go in a field so the spa/pool/sauna an external hot tubs can be powered summer/winter.

I've made the application to the DNO for an upgraded transformer (for an 2nd LV phase and for export) on the 2ph 11.8kV line that comes across the land. It's got a crappy 15kVA 1ph transformer at present, barely enough to power the house. It's why the sauna has never been used. The buggers initially wanted me to pay millions to upgrade miles of HV distribution network, must have been a grad trainee assigned to the case. I've straightened him out and now it's at around £25k for a new transformer. I'm working on getting that to zero.

To save my knackered knees I will want someone with part P to install it all though. Local sparks here charge £250 per day, a bit cheaper than Kent. I need to chop down a few Scots pine first though, and I can't get to them because the land is a dangerous tip, it's like climbing over a collapsed building in a developing country all sharp edges of rusty tin roofs half submerged in a bog. Needs a digger/dozer.
 
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Forgot to mention, there is a company at Tebay that sells very nice glamping huts. We were there in January and they had them on sale so might be worth popping in if passing as they don’t seem to advertise them on their website.

Yep, we drive past them every time we go to the M6 (Tebay is our junction). Interesting stuff.
 
Do you think if I don't constantly upload pics that some folks might not believe it?? ;)

Not necessarily but it would be odd not to see pictures of where you stared and how it progresses if you continue a thread like this.

One of what it all looks like now would be a good start (y)
 
Not necessarily but it would be odd not to see pictures of where you stared and how it progresses if you continue a thread like this.

One of what it all looks like now would be a good start (y)
already uploaded in last thread

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We are moving quick, need to really with so much time wasted. I had 3 local plumbers with MCS cert already booked to be here early last week for quotes. We already chose the best guy who would put in what I specify (Grant Aerona 15.5kW R290) and have applied for the £7.5k grant from the government. Once Ofgem approve the system will be going in within 2-3weeks. I've bought an identical but R32 unit (more efficient for heating a pool) for the pool 8 month old from ebay for pennies (just need to collect from the other end of the country).

I'm going to clean and reroute some gutters today and try to unblock a pluvial drain so I can do a Trump and 'drain the swamp' behind the hangar. Then power wash the garage and its entry and the front bit, repair the lights and I will do my 'test'. It was always a requirement and any place we bought had to pass it. It's why we nearly bought that old Manoir, and the two places in Mayenne. They all passed 'the test'. I call it 'The Aston Martin Test'. I wonder if anyone can guess what it is? The test will be uploaded tonight or tomorrow and you can all be the judge as to whether the test is passed or not :)
 
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It's really great that you've finally got a place to get your teeth into. I bet you can't wait to have it up and running. 😃

Just be careful regarding what you do site wise as the leisure industry has seen quite a downturn so many places are having their income reduced. We have 2 luxury lodges (purpose built like bungalows) on a site and they've been managed and let out on our behalf by the site since we bought them in 2016 but they told us in January that they won't be doing it from April due to their rising costs and less bookings so we're having to sort out new letting agents etc ourselves.

Only upside is we know we can make more this way as he charged a hefty commission but due to being a greedy sod didn't like the fact that he had a dint in his income.

The idiot expanded the site during covid due to the high demand for UK holidays and the cheap government's bounce back loans but the 'lodges' he then added were glorified statics and grouped together so people don't like them as no privacy and he doesn't get the income he expected from them now that people are going abroad again. The biggest mistake the idiot made though was not to check what his council rates would be and they shot up from £20k to over £100k! :oops:
 
Once Ofgem approve the system will be going in within 2-3weeks. I've bought an identical but R32 unit (more efficient for heating a pool) for the pool 8 month old from ebay for pennies (just need to collect from the other end of the country).

Just a quick question, what does Ofgem have to do with an approval ?

I'd have thought that the local electrical distributor would check the technical details for approval to connect to their system ?

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It's really great that you've finally got a place to get your teeth into. I bet you can't wait to have it up and running. 😃

Just be careful regarding what you do site wise as the leisure industry has seen quite a downturn so many places are having their income reduced. We have 2 luxury lodges (purpose built like bungalows) on a site and they've been managed and let out on our behalf by the site since we bought them in 2016 but they told us in January that they won't be doing it from April due to their rising costs and less bookings so we're having to sort out new letting agents etc ourselves.

Only upside is we know we can make more this way as he charged a hefty commission but due to being a greedy sod didn't like the fact that he had a dint in his income.

The idiot expanded the site during covid due to the high demand for UK holidays and the cheap government's bounce back loans but the 'lodges' he then added were glorified statics and grouped together so people don't like them as no privacy and he doesn't get the income he expected from them now that people are going abroad again. The biggest mistake the idiot made though was not to check what his council rates would be and they shot up from £20k to over £100k! :oops:
Interesting. It seems lots of campsite owners here and in the continent got greedy or made wrong-headed decisions during and after the pandemic. Some of the practices explained to me by MisterB and others are quite eye-opening.

We will be a decent operator. My customer facing skills are rubbish (I have to be strictly back office, I'm a bit confrontational and can't suffer a fool) but Bea's are exceptional, she's a real front of house person. Her AirBnB at our place in Kent had the highest feedback score in the entire country for anything with over 200 reviews.

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Just a quick question, what does Ofgem have to do with an approval ?

I'd have thought that the local electrical distributor would check the technical details for approval to connect to their system ?
Ofgem are both the regulator and the administrator for the government boiler replacement scheme. It is handy for us as the DNO (what you call the local electrical distributor) have to approve the transformer and connection/export uprate and they are buggers for charging, but are very scared of the all powerful regulator so I can use Ofgem as a tool to negotiate the price of the connection upgrade down.
 
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To make the thread interesting to follow we photos & more photos, too much text people stop reading after a short time.

Good luck with your venture.

I’m with Lenny… photos bring words to life and visa versa…. It’s the context we all crave now we all live in a visual age.. 21st century audiences (which you’re obviously keen to engage with your new thread) enjoy multi media experiences. ✔️

Good luck with the new venture… it was a journey to get here for you both; literally and metaphorically!

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