Campervan Dealer jailed over gas fault...

[JJ]

Scunthorpe 'rogue traders' jailed over campervan explosion

Carl Smith and Nigel Crellin tried to fraudulently backdate gas safety paperwork.

www.bbc.co.uk

This appeared in my news feed just now.

Apologies if already posted.

JJ

 

[Phill D]

Be interesting to know the specifics of the cause and what actually failed.
Most don’t have gas test certificates.

 

[Gellyneck]

Scunthorpe 'rogue traders' jailed over campervan explosion

Carl Smith and Nigel Crellin tried to fraudulently backdate gas safety paperwork.

www.bbc.co.uk

This appeared in my news feed just now.

Apologies if already posted.

JJ

another article on it.

Fraudulent business owner and engineer prosecuted after gas cylinder explodes in campervan leaving customer with burns   - North Lincolnshire Council

Carl Smith, the owner of Ivy Lane Campers and Nigel Crellin were prosecuted at Grimsby Crown Court on Tuesday 25 February…

www.northlincs.gov.uk

 

[Pausim]

Scunthorpe 'rogue traders' jailed over campervan explosion

Carl Smith and Nigel Crellin tried to fraudulently backdate gas safety paperwork.

www.bbc.co.uk

This appeared in my news feed just now.

Apologies if already posted.

JJ

You were beaten by an hour on another thread but it does no harm to broadcast this information as widely as possible. Your new headline will inform people who are not following the discussion about gas tank replacement.

 

[Puddleduck]

Reading the second report Gellyneck linked it appears to have been a hire van.

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[TDub49]

Reading the second report Gellyneck linked it appears to have been a hire van.

Ties in with this post quite nicely . . .

Gas Tank Replacement Rule & Certificate Denial

Have been told today by service engineer that my gas tank is just over ten years old so he will not give me a gas safe certificate , new regulations are if your tank is ten years old you have to have it replaced, can’t find any up to date news on this, as anybody heard the same

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[meanders]

The attempted cover up seems to have been viewed as being worse than the original absence of safety checks. Should have just put their hands up. Odd that the proprietor was allowed to commission his own checks. Hopefully GasSafe have removed Crellin from the register if he was ever on it.

 

[Brains]

Be interesting to know the specifics of the cause and what actually failed.
Most don’t have gas test certificates.

My Motorhome has a standard domestic gas certificate.
Put there by the supplier.
It's in a folder attached to the wall of the gas locker.

Although the certificate has now expired (only valid for a year), I will be upgrading my one calor/one Gaslow system to two Gaslow's later this year, at which point I will be expecting another standard domestic gas certificate.
(And if they can't, they wont be getting the job!)

 

[Brains]

As a Landlord, I have to legally supply an annual Gas certificate to every property.

I keep one copy, the engineer keeps one copy and the third copy in held in a menu frame in the boiler or meter cupboard of every property.

It would be a simple procedure for any motorhome owner or dealer to provide the same.

I think the time has now arrived to insist on an up to date gas certificate on every sale of a motorhome.
In the same way that you would want a MoT certificate and a Weigh Bridge certificate.

No Certificates, no sale.

 

[Brains]

The attempted cover up seems to have been viewed as being worse than the original absence of safety checks. Should have just put their hands up. Odd that the proprietor was allowed to commission his own checks. Hopefully GasSafe have removed Crellin from the register if he was ever on it.

The motorhome rental proprietor is no different to any other Landlord.
There is no difference on the type of rented accommodation.

If it has gas, it needs an annual Gas certificate.
This applies to every rented house, flat, student digs, hotel, chalet, B&B, static caravan, Shepard's hut, caravan, campervan, yurt and Motorhome.

By law a copy of the Gas certificate must be visibly available to every resident.

The explosion was an accident.
The back dated Gas certificate was fraud.

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[Barclaybasher]

As a Landlord, I have to legally supply an annual Gas certificate to every property.

I keep one copy, the engineer keeps one copy and the third copy in held in a menu frame in the boiler or meter cupboard of every property.

It would be a simple procedure for any motorhome owner or dealer to provide the same.

I think the time has now arrived to insist on an up to date gas certificate on every sale of a motorhome.
In the same way that you would want a MoT certificate and a Weigh Bridge certificate.

No Certificates, no sale.

Like an MOT certificate, gas safety certificates are certifying safety on that day only......

 

[Brains]

Like an MOT certificate, gas safety certificates are certifying safety on that day only......

True, but at least it passed on that day.
If it goes bang the next day then someone will be asking questions.

None of us would by a vehicle without a valid MoT (at least not without a very substantial discount)
So why would you buy one without a Gas Certificate or a Weighbridge certificate ?

 

[Gellyneck]

Gas supply integrity is checked every year as part of habitation check.

 

[Brains]

Gas supply integrity is checked every year as part of habitation check.

'Checked' and 'Certificate' are not the same!

 

[meanders]

'Checked' and 'Certificate' are not the same!

While I agree, if I have a signed off check sheet from a habitation check by a Gas safe registered engineer, I suspect HSE would view that in exactly the same way.

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[Brains]

While I agree, if I have a signed off check sheet from a habitation check by a Gas safe registered engineer, I suspect HSE would view that in exactly the same way.

I agree, as long as the habitation check was done by a certified gas safe engineer.

 

[CazPaul]

It amazes me how many houses blow to bits, totally destroyed by domestic gas boilers/system/pipes etc explosions, up here in the north east it’s a regular occurrence on the news.

 

[Brains]

It amazes me how many houses blow to bits, totally destroyed by domestic gas boilers/system/pipes etc explosions, up here in the north east it’s a regular occurrence on the news.

The last big one up north was caused by an internal cannabis farm.

My experience is most serious domestic gas explosions are not 'accidents', it usually caused by people mucking about with things they should leave well alone, or not replacing very old appliances.

That said, the in-laws had an explosion at 2am one morning that blew off the cupboard doors and blew out the kitchen window and even lifted the loft hatch two floors up.
The firemen found the cause, an aerosol of fly spray had corroded in the cupboard and the gas had been lit by the pilot light of the boiler in the boiler cupboard above. The damage was impressive in the kitchen, everything scorched. New kitchen needed.

The entire road (200+ houses) had the gas cut off.
It took the gas engineers several days to reconnect all the properties as every appliance had to be bled first.
They also condemned several heaters, cookers and boilers and would not reconnect those houses!

The in-laws were not popular!

 

[CazPaul]

The last big one up north was caused by an internal cannabis farm.

My experience is most serious domestic gas explosions are not 'accidents', it usually caused by people mucking about with things they should leave well alone, or not replacing very old appliances.

That said, the in-laws had an explosion at 2am one morning that blew off the cupboard doors and blew out the kitchen window and even lifted the loft hatch two floors up.
The firemen found the cause, an aerosol of fly spray had corroded in the cupboard and the gas had been lit by the pilot light of the boiler in the boiler cupboard above. The damage was impressive in the kitchen, everything scorched. New kitchen needed.

The entire road (200+ houses) had the gas cut off.
It took the gas engineers several days to reconnect all the properties as every appliance had to be bled first.
They also condemned several heaters, cookers and boilers and would not reconnect those houses!

The in-laws were not popular!

There was a very recent up up near us in Willington County Durham

 

[Phill D]

Like an MOT certificate, gas safety certificates are certifying safety on that day only......

And a domestic check is not valid unless the gas safe engineer has the LPG accreditation.

But it’s probably better than no check.

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[gus-lopez]

So why would you buy one without a Gas Certificate or a Weighbridge certificate ?

I do not know of anyone who asks for weights, certificates, damp checks , habitation certificates,etc? My mate,who has had 7 or 8 vans over the last 20 years, has never asked for any of those items nor when he has sold,privately, has he ever been asked by the buyers? The van he had to sell last september the buyer was not interested in anything as "his dad had one" nor did he even test drive the van.

 

[Phill D]

Recently sold our van and the only interest in the habitation side was a damp check at the time of handover, nothing else and was not interested in previous damp checks or the gas and electrics.