Campaign for real aires

[Northernraider]

a Facebook page is really taking of campaigning for real aires and parking for motorhomes ....even a few councillors on board

Might interest those interested in off site parking etc

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[monzer]

I wrote to my MSP a while back regarding this. First replies were pretty encouraging but then I got hit with the 'we are committed to ...blah blah blah' and pointed to a scheme where organisations could apply for funding for various tourist projects. I'll give that a go I thought then found out that the closing date for entries was like 6 months before I got the letter.

Great stuff!

 

[sylvester1954]

I think it's probably better to lobby your local councillors rather than an MP as it would be a local agreement by local council. Here in the South West they do appear to have grasped the knowledge that they can earn £5. a night per van with no real outlay themselves. (personally l would pay a tenner?).
The risk of travellers taking advantage can be eased by the enforcement of a maximum 24hr limit.
I've stopped over in Appledore many a time with up to 10 vans at any one time. Some of the Motorhomers will then buy from the local chippy and other food outlets.. win win you could argue. If some of you wish to follow this line then suggest that your local council speak with Torridge Council down here?

 

[63720]

Absolutely no chance - period.

 

[Northernraider]

Absolutely no chance - period.

There's a defeatist attitude if ever I heard one.
There is already progress being made

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[LesW]

Absolutely no chance - period.

I fear you are correct

 

[Northernraider]

I fear you are correct

What happened to that old British exceptionalism .....i thought Britain was better than anyone else these days.

Progress is already being made which you would see if you read some of the posts in that group.
They have already had a few replies from some councils stating which carparks etc are OK to use.

The covid situation has presented a good time for councils to act on it


I believe these are being sent to many councils around the country

 

[63720]

There's a defeatist attitude if ever I heard one.
There is already progress being made

Not defeatest but realistic. We spend the winter touring mainly France and Spain so I am familiar with the facilities abroad which we use with the utmost gratitude to the authorities who provide them. Unfortunately here we are subject to the law imposed because of the peace convoys of the '70-80s and the country's inability to deal with the traveller community. Added to this there is vast vested interest by very large organisations that want to herd us into stalag camps where we can be controlled. I have supported various campaigns in the past and, apart from a few isolated places, nothing will change. Until the status quo changes, shortly after hell freezes over, I take my motorhoming money where it's welcomed and appreciated and give this country the attention it deserves.

 

[Northernraider]

Not defeatest but realistic. We spend the winter touring mainly France and Spain so I am familiar with the facilities abroad which we use with the utmost gratitude to the authorities who provide them. Unfortunately here we are subject to the law imposed because of the peace convoys of the '70-80s and the country's inability to deal with the traveller community. Added to this there is vast vested interest by very large organisations that want to herd us into stalag camps where we can be controlled. I have supported various campaigns in the past and, apart from a few isolated places, nothing will change. Until the status quo changes, shortly after hell freezes over, I take my motorhoming money where it's welcomed and appreciated and give this country the attention it deserves.

Well things won't change by themselves

UK economy needs UK tourists more than ever , councils are strapped for cash

 

[Riverbankannie]

We played golf at Shirehampton Golf Club on Monday. From our vantage point above the river Avon, we could see the temporary site that Bristol Council set up for the permanent street dwellers to be somewhere safe with access to water and other facilities. It’s a fabulous location beside the river on a Park n Ride bus route.
It would make a very good aire.

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[LesW]

Well things won't change by themselves
UK economy needs UK tourists more than ever , councils are strapped for cash

It would be fantastic if we could travel around the UK, the same as we can travel around mainland Europe.

However the UK is infested with jobsworths who cannot stand to see others enjoying themselves, and until that changes...etc,etc.

 

[peterc10]

Behind every good idea that came to fruition has always been a lot of people saying that "it will never work". It only took a few determined people to prove them wrong

 

[Ivory55]

It would be fantastic if we could travel around the UK, the same as we can travel around mainland Europe.

However the UK is infested with jobsworths who cannot stand to see others enjoying themselves, and until that changes...etc,etc.

I think that is a bit hard. If you’re local community had been paying council tax and was told they was cutting schools , help for the elderly, etc , but spending money on providing free Aires for people in motorhome. How do you think they are going to feel ?

 

[peterc10]

I think that is a bit hard. If you’re local community had been paying council tax and was told they was cutting schools , help for the elderly, etc , but spending money on providing free Aires for people in motorhome. How do you think they are going to feel ?

Who said "free"? I am a member of the facebook page and they make it clear that the Councils can make money by charging for use overnight and the local businesses will benefit too. Win win

 

[eddie]

I have been involved in petitions so many times, its a waste of time.

Before we can persuade anyone to seriously consider setting up Aires, we need to convince them that the Gypsies won't pull on a screw it up on day one.

So a much better plan would be to bombard Preti Patel, the Home Secretary to push through the proposed changes in the law of trespass, to allow gypsies to be dealt with through the criminal courts, with the threat of custodial sentences should the gypsies not comply.

Some will see this as defeatist, I who deal with the issues of Gypsies regularly, have been dealing with the Police Complaints Commission, The Chief Constable of Somerset & Avon, Rebecca Pow MP and through her the Home Secretary.

No one will spend a single penny whilst the risk of Gypsy invasion looms!

And we are going to be out of pocket to the tune of about £10K having an entry system installed with Automatic Number Plate Recognition, which apart from the cost is massively inconvenient to us all that work at Cornish Farm

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[peterc10]

I have been involved in petitions so many times, its a waste of time.

Before we can persuade anyone to seriously consider setting up Aires, we need to convince them that the Gypsies won't pull on a screw it up on day one.

So a much better plan would be to bombard Preti Patel, the Home Secretary to push through the proposed changes in the law of trespass, to allow gypsies to be dealt with through the criminal courts, with the threat of custodial sentences should the gypsies not comply.

Some will see this as defeatist, I who deal with the issues of Gypsies regularly, have been dealing with the Police Complaints Commission, The Chief Constable of Somerset & Avon, Rebecca Pow MP and through her the Home Secretary.

No one will spend a single penny whilst the risk of Gypsy invasion looms!

And we are going to be out of pocket to the tune of about £10K having an entry system installed with Automatic Number Plate Recognition, which apart from the cost is massively inconvenient to us all that work at Cornish Farm

Its not a petition. People are actively contacting their local councils and members to explain how it will help the council and the local businesses.

Kent has plenty of Gypsies, but Canterbury City Council have no problems with keeping their Old Dover Street Aire free of them. To the extent that they have opened two further ones at Reculver and Herne Bay. And propose to add a new one in Canterbury itself.

 

[Ivory55]

Who said "free"? I am a member of the facebook page and they make it clear that the Councils can make money by charging for use overnight and the local businesses will benefit too. Win win

Even if it was pay the investment to the pay back period is no good to the local community. They would rather spend on things for their community not others who are nothing to do with them, and I would agree with them.

 

[peterc10]

Even if it was pay the investment to the pay back period is no good to the local community. They would rather spend on things for their community not others who are nothing to do with them, and I would agree with them.

Have a read of what they are trying to do. The whole point is to convince the councils that this will cost littel or nothing. They already have plenty of car parks that are little used during the evenings and nights, and rarely full during the day. White lining is hardly expensive.

 

[Ivory55]

Have a read of what they are trying to do. The whole point is to convince the councils that this will cost littel or nothing. They already have plenty of car parks that are little used during the evenings and nights, and rarely full during the day. White lining is hardly expensive.

I think those that think it’s such a good idea should put their money where their mouth is, and buy a plot and build some Aires and see how much money that they make.

 

[Northernraider]

I think that is a bit hard. If you’re local community had been paying council tax and was told they was cutting schools , help for the elderly, etc , but spending money on providing free Aires for people in motorhome. How do you think they are going to feel ?

No one has said free ...in fact the group propose a fair charge for services and parking £5 - 10 per night

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[Northernraider]

I have been involved in petitions so many times, its a waste of time.

Before we can persuade anyone to seriously consider setting up Aires, we need to convince them that the Gypsies won't pull on a screw it up on day one.

So a much better plan would be to bombard Preti Patel, the Home Secretary to push through the proposed changes in the law of trespass, to allow gypsies to be dealt with through the criminal courts, with the threat of custodial sentences should the gypsies not comply.

Some will see this as defeatist, I who deal with the issues of Gypsies regularly, have been dealing with the Police Complaints Commission, The Chief Constable of Somerset & Avon, Rebecca Pow MP and through her the Home Secretary.

No one will spend a single penny whilst the risk of Gypsy invasion looms!

And we are going to be out of pocket to the tune of about £10K having an entry system installed with Automatic Number Plate Recognition, which apart from the cost is massively inconvenient to us all that work at Cornish Farm

Its not a petition ..

And gypsies exist in other countries especially France so that excuse doesn't work ..there are plenty ways around that issue.

 

[Northernraider]

Even if it was pay the investment to the pay back period is no good to the local community. They would rather spend on things for their community not others who are nothing to do with them, and I would agree with them.

Its been proven in europe that it does help their community though thats the point.

If they managed to set up temporary places for vandwellers during covid then it proves they can do it when required

 

[peterc10]

I think those that think it’s such a good idea should put their money where their mouth is, and buy a plot and build some Aires and see how much money that they make.

But I don't have car parks lying empty each night, but the Councils do.

 

[Ivory55]

In life there always seems to be people who know how a buisness etc should be run and what is a fairl price that they want to pay, but none of them ever want to put up their own money and do it themselves. If it’s all so easy I can not understand why they don’t do it.

 

[joe and sue]

In life there always seems to be people who know how a buisness etc should be run and what is a fairl price that they want to pay, but none of them ever want to put up their own money and do it themselves. If it’s all so easy I can not understand why they don’t do it.

Perhaps it is because they don't have the cash available, and as stated by others, councils etc have the land already and as car parks they are mostly unused at night;
Here in Bury St Edmunds there are 5 dedicated motorhome bays in a town centre car park, with access to toilets and water, at a nominal charge. always in use when ever we use the car park.. Very little investment and considerable additional trade for the town.
Many towns & cities have park and rides, and are empty at nights, slight mods to signage and payment meters and bingo, more revenue.
Joe & Sue

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[Northernraider]

In life there always seems to be people who know how a buisness etc should be run and what is a fairl price that they want to pay, but none of them ever want to put up their own money and do it themselves. If it’s all so easy I can not understand why they don’t do it.

Because community aires are not a business. Getting planning permission and around the notoriously outdated camping and caravan act is far far easier for the council than it is for Joe public.

I don't understand why folk always throw up obstacles whenever aires are mentioned if they aren't something you would use fair enough theres no need to get involved ......but theres enough opposition from campsites councils etc as it is without other motorhomers adding to it.

One thing is for sure they won't just be created out the goodness of their hearts

But ....if people actively get involved and support their creation then who knows maybe they will.

And if not ill just continue parking wherever I can

 

[DBK]

I think Scotland could create some McAires as my brother has called them. Not sure about elsewhere. ☹

 

[Ivory55]

I would list a million things that the local community would want their council tax spent on before providing free or cheap holidays for people who don’t even live there. I would love the government or council to provide lots of things for me but it has to be paid for by someone. I am sure my local community would put Aires at the bottom of a very long list. I would put giving those that were not lucky enough to get redundancy or furlough money at the top to get a hand out but it is not going to happen, along with Aires. To many more important things to be done first.

 

[peterc10]

I would list a million things that the local community would want their council tax spent on before providing free or cheap holidays for people who don’t even live there. I would love the government or council to provide lots of things for me but it has to be paid for by someone. I am sure my local community would put Aires at the bottom of a very long list. I would put giving those that were not lucky enough to get redundancy or furlough money at the top to get a hand out but it is not going to happen, along with Aires. To many more important things to be done first.

You do not seem to understand that it does not involve spending much money at all. It is all about using existing facilities more efficiently. Why have a car park standing empty over night earning nothing if you can change some signage and maybe a bye law or two so that it can earn extra money for the council? And also get more visitors into the town to spend money. And minor costs will be more than paid back in a few weeks of parking at £5 per night per motorhome.

 

[Boris7]

Absolutely no chance - period.

Sorry to push the point, but to avoid doubt could you make your opinion a little clearer please?

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