CAMC would not allow member in a predicament to have water!

[billym]

Surely you mean ‘Waitrose’……..??!

Too far away. I guessed they couldn't afford the diesel.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Should of told them they were Ukrainians

 

[Hammie]

This. These people were in need of help - and got none. It wouldn’t have mattered to me if they were a member or not - if someone needs help, you provide it. A tank of tap water would have cost the CMC sod-all anyway.

How does this equate with the law that for a publican to deny a traveller a glass of water is illegal

 

[Hammie]

Yes that's the modern way now . Have a load of stickfast rules , many that are pointless and then a large sign telling you that any abuse to staff won't be tolerated .
Abuse covering anything from disagreeing to a full out war.

I believe the department for work and social security are the worst for this as are doctors receptions , hospital , police etc etc . Where you get a robot sat at a desk with no ability to think outside the Box and just repeat the same speech.

The film " I Daniel Blake " highlighted this a few years back but nowt has changed.

I've not been on a campsite for well over 10 years but closer to 15 ...they were shot then and from what I've seen on here with their absurd rules they have got progressively worse whilst quadrupling in price.

The pandemic has brought out all the control freaks. I once had a twenty four year old telling me not to shelter from the rain in her shop doorway. Her reason was that she needed to keep me safe? I have kept myself safe for 46 years since leaving home, I suspect she was living with her parents. Couldn’t make it up!

 

[Nanniemate]

Has anyone tried turning up at a private site e.g. Haven and asked to use the services? Or is it just CAMC that refuse this?

Yep the site in Seaton charges £5.00 cash for servicing the van .my attitude is ask they can only say no.

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[funflair]

and the one in the Cathargo to Sainsbury's.

I like your style but on a serious note people just take the P which yet again spoils it for people in a genuine predicament as everybody gets tarred with the same brush.

 

[funflair]

Surely you mean ‘Waitrose’……..??!

No no that's for MORELO and Concorde owners

 

[Nanniemate]

Absolutely!
Spot on. Do exactly the same and in addition use a small separate bucket to do the “ little and often “ routine . Do this for both fresh and grey water.
Takes no time at all.

Works well until you've been touring and there is a line behind you . Luckily I wS offered the use of a hose pipe as I do kit carry one - yet

 

[maz]

How does this equate with the law that for a publican to deny a traveller a glass of water is illegal

No idea. It’s just common sense and good manners to me to offer help if you can.

 

[funflair]

And thereby miss the opportunity of increasing the number of paying customers that you service each year.
With some commercial nous the charge rate could be set to increase the profitability of the business.
Or am I being thick?

Ian

I wouldn't dare suggest that you are being thick Ian but look at it from a different perspective, we have just spent 4 night on a C&MHC site total £102, we wanted to leave the site this morning after servicing the tanks and as we were close to the MH service point we could time it to join the queue when it was short, imagine if the site had opened its gates to the guys down the single track road parked in the passing places and the pop top VW's in the car park, we could have been waiting in a queue around the site for 45 minutes stopping the tuggers from hooking up and leaving on time and generally causing mayhem, then we get out onto the single track access road which is fine as people leave in the morning and arrive in the afternoon but what if there is a steady stream of people coming in to avail themselves of the service facilities in the morning, more mayhem.

In my view if a site wants to offer tank servicing they need to look at it as a completely separate business to the day to day running of the camp site so as not to inconvenience people paying through the nose for a nice quiet and peaceful site.

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[Gellyneck]

No no that's for MORELO and Concorde owners

and, obviously, they would be motorhome deliveries so the polished tyres don't get grubby!

 

[Ernesto]

I wouldn't dare suggest that you are being thick Ian but look at it from a different perspective, we have just spent 4 night on a C&MHC site total £102, we wanted to leave the site this morning after servicing the tanks and as we were close to the MH service point we could time it to join the queue when it was short, imagine if the site had opened its gates to the guys down the single track road parked in the passing places and the pop top VW's in the car park, we could have been waiting in a queue around the site for 45 minutes stopping the tuggers from hooking up and leaving on time and generally causing mayhem, then we get out onto the single track access road which is fine as people leave in the morning and arrive in the afternoon but what if there is a steady stream of people coming in to avail themselves of the service facilities in the morning, more mayhem.

In my view if a site wants to offer tank servicing they need to look at it as a completely separate business to the day to day running of the camp site so as not to inconvenience people paying through the nose for a nice quiet and peaceful site.

Maybe just offer the service after midday? ...and maybe exclude any odd site that is accessed via a tight single track road ?

If its popular, they might be able to justify installing more service points as well, so all queues would be reduced. As you mentioned, sounds like existing facilities are already stretched

 

[Coolcats]

Too far away. I guessed they couldn't afford the diesel.

Just get the Butler to deliver it to you

 

[bigtwin]

In my view if a site wants to offer tank servicing they need to look at it as a completely separate business to the day to day running of the camp site so as not to inconvenience people paying through the nose for a nice quiet and peaceful site.

Yes, that would be sensible.

My comment was aimed more at the differentiation between paying site guests and the non-paying service users. Those service users appear to be an untapped market and the majority of them would be more than happy to be paying customers.

Ian

 

[funflair]

Maybe just offer the service after midday? ...and maybe exclude any odd site that is accessed via a tight single track road ?

If its popular, they might be able to justify installing more service points as well, so all queues would be reduced. As you mentioned, sounds like existing facilities are already stretched

Afternoons are when the site is busy with arrivals though, I think any site offering it would have to be careful where their service point was situated, taking my example of the site we have just left the MH service point was around the one way system so people would be filling with water trying to unhitch caravans and blocking the road so then a queue of vans trying to get to the service point would be stopping others pitching up, chaos the facilities here are perfectly adequate for the number of vans I would say but possibly not if they opened the gates to passing vans looking for a dump and fill.

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[funflair]

Yes, that would be sensible.

My comment was aimed more at the differentiation between paying site guests and the non-paying service users. Those service users appear to be an untapped market and the majority of them would be more than happy to be paying customers.

Ian

Quite agree but then it comes back around to the question, do the big clubs want to make it easy for people to pitch up without using their sites and paying overnight fees? I think the answer to that is No and therein lies their business model.

 

[Spriddler]

Quite agree but then it comes back around to the question, do the big clubs want to make it easy for people to pitch up without using their sites and paying overnight fees? I think the answer to that is No and therein lies their business model.

Indeed. So is it a members'-owned Club or a commercial business...........?

 

[bigtwin]

Quite agree but then it comes back around to the question, do the big clubs want to make it easy for people to pitch up without using their sites and paying overnight fees? I think the answer to that is No and therein lies their business model.

Yes, that’s, very clearly, their position.

Ian

 

[Nanniemate]

Blinking heck by the sound of it none of the sites are fit for purposes as there are always lines , poor facilities and no one wants to pay for anything , add to that unfriendly wardens, yappy dogs loud kids

 

[tonyidle]

We use CMC sites pretty frequently mainly because we meet up with a mixed group of mh'ers and caravan owners. When I'm on a site the very last thing I'd want is more people driving into or around the site than is absolutely necessary. Safety of children on the site is paramount and any vehicle movement carries a risk. People bring kids so they can socialise with others on the site without over-bearing adult supervision. Every unit entering the site is of necessity seen by the site warden /manager and that adds a layer of confidence that the site is a safe space. I don't believe a CMC site is or can be set up as a touring motorhome service facility.

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[Northernraider]

We use CMC sites pretty frequently mainly because we meet up with a mixed group of mh'ers and caravan owners. When I'm on a site the very last thing I'd want is more people driving into or around the site than is absolutely necessary. Safety of children on the site is paramount and any vehicle movement carries a risk. People bring kids so they can socialise with others on the site without over-bearing adult supervision. Every unit entering the site is of necessity seen by the site warden /manager and that adds a layer of confidence that the site is a safe space. I don't believe a CMC site is or can be set up as a touring motorhome service facility.

I think every member should tell that to the clubs . Maybe it would stop them trying to monopolise and stop them objecting to Aires being created as they clearly cannot supply what is required from most motorhomers only those who use them like a caravan.

 

[Ernesto]

We use CMC sites pretty frequently mainly because we meet up with a mixed group of mh'ers and caravan owners. When I'm on a site the very last thing I'd want is more people driving into or around the site than is absolutely necessary. Safety of children on the site is paramount and any vehicle movement carries a risk. People bring kids so they can socialise with others on the site without over-bearing adult supervision. Every unit entering the site is of necessity seen by the site warden /manager and that adds a layer of confidence that the site is a safe space. I don't believe a CMC site is or can be set up as a touring motorhome service facility.

I think all people are suggesting is an additional service to the fully paid-up club membership ....an additional benefit for those rare occasions when members are caught short..... not a free for all, service facility.

But I understand the CMC computer says no, so its a free'ish world and we're free to join ...or not !
.

 

[NoName]

and who pays the upfront costs for providing this infrastructure on the 200 or so Club sites? Doubt there would be funding from the Local \ Regional Council.

The point is that the French welcome Moho’s and camper vans as they know they bring business to an area. If someone turns up at a club site to use the facilities I presume they would have to pay a fee? Therefore no cost to the club and who knows some may choose to stay ( members)

 

[Beltie]

I think every member should tell that to the clubs . Maybe it would stop them trying to monopolise and stop them objecting to Aires being created as they clearly cannot supply what is required from most motorhomers only those who use them like a caravan.

Can you cite examples of the clubs objecting to the creation of aires?

 

[Spriddler]

....an additional benefit for those rare occasions when members are caught short..... not a free for all, service facility.

And would the wardens want to decide/argue with people pushing their luck and merely claiming that they have been caught short? If it's left to the warden's discretion to serve them or not and they refuse the visitor will be arguing that such and such site allowed them to fill up, empty cassettes etc......

The point is that the French welcome Moho’s and camper vans as they know they bring business to an area.

No-one doubts that.

If someone turns up at a club site to use the facilities I presume they would have to pay a fee? Therefore no cost to the club and who knows some may choose to stay ( members)

If you read the thread you'll see that the charge isn't the issue.
It's more about safety due to additional traffic on the site, overcrowding/queuing at the service point, wardens' time attending speculative visitors and taking the payment. I don't think any CAMC sites have the arrivals office manned all day (the staff have other work onsite) nor allow booking in and entry until strictly around 2pm so anyone turning up before then would have to be seen by the warden and sent away. Some sites have only a one-way approach and entry.

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[peterc10]

Having read all the reasons on this thread as to why CAMC doesn't allow paid for filling and dumping on their sites, it seems to me strange that the CCC have successfully allowed this on many of their sites for a good few years (covid excepted).

Pre covid I had used it a few times without any problems. They even allow you to use their toilets and showers as well, not that we wanted to.

 

[Lenny HB]

Can you cite examples of the clubs objecting to the creation of aires?

If you use the search facility you will find quite a few posts about it. They have always been totally against it.

How can they change their name to include "Motorhome" in it when they haven't a clue what Motorhomes want and are totally against what Motorhomes need.

 

[TinaLes]

No no that's for MORELO and Concorde owners

I am shocked Martin, there was me thinking that Morelo/Concorde owners recieved regular food & Champaign deliveries from Fortnum & Mason or Harrods, its only us poor Carthago owners that have to put up with Waitrose.
Does your entitlement to these special delivery arrangements end when the 2 year warranty on the van has run its course, time to get another one then.
LES

 

[CazPaul]

I am shocked Martin, there was me thinking that Morelo/Concorde owners recieved regular food & Champaign deliveries from Fortnum & Mason or Harrods, its only us poor Carthago owners that have to put up with Waitrose.
Does your entitlement to these special delivery arrangements end when the 2 year warranty on the van has run its course, time to get another one then.
LES

Lol, and when you run an ancient old Concorde like us you then finish up at Poundstretchers and next year I’ve heard it’s Home Bargains. Good grief we’re flogging it.

 

[Northernraider]

Can you cite examples of the clubs objecting to the creation of aires?

It's been discussed countless times.

They were also the ones that caused the "stay the night" idea from the forestry commission to be stopped initially until thousands of people from Facebook etc contacted the forestry commission to complain and it was restarted. The campsites had complained to the commission that the scheme was affecting their business. A few thousand emails from people telling them they wouldn't use the campsites regardless put that thought to bed.

The biggest objectors to Aires being created are campsites. Because a good percentage of their customer base are people who feel they've no option ..... rightly or wrongly.

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