C1 entitlement. (1 Viewer)

[wd1506]

One for the legal eagles. I am in the throes of renewing my truck and bus licenses but in a few months I will have my 70th birthday.
Will I be expected to take another medical to keep my C1 or is it covered by my truck entitlement.

 

[Derbyshire wanderer]

Truck and bus renewal is still medical based so C1 covered but after 70 the truck and bus is yearly not three yearly I believe

 

[wd1506]

Truck and bus renewal is still medical based so C1 covered but after 70 the truck and bus is yearly not three yearly I believe

 

[Marie-Claire]

If you can drive 26 or 44 t they cant stop you driving upto 7 1/2t

 

[wd1506]

Yes medical has been annual since 65th birthday but this is the first time I’ve had to deal with the C1 issue.

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[Emmit]

Just make sure, especially in your case, that they don't accidently omit your C1 cat. entitlement when you renew your bus and truck licence.
It has been known.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Will OP have to renew all licences at 70 though or will the recently renewed ones carry over?

 

[Derbyshire wanderer]

Yes medical has been annual since 65th birthday but this is the first time I’ve had to deal with the C1 issue.

As you are providing the D4 medical form for the C and D entitlement the C1 is included as it is a lesser level. As above, just make sure that they return it with all of the existing categories as they have a habit of getting it wrong more than they should

 

[nicholsong]

If one has 'C' category on a licence does that not include all weights below that without being separately noted on the licence?

 

[JockandRita]

Will OP have to renew all licences at 70 though or will the recently renewed ones carry over?

No Annie, the recently renewed licences (annually) will run until expired, (4b on the front of the photocard licence). I have to go through the same process annually myself too.

If one has 'C' category on a licence does that not include all weights below that without being separately noted on the licence?

It does Geoff, but effectively only valid for 1 x year, as the licence validity date at 4b takes precedence....................regardless of the dates your other categories are valid for.

HTH,

Jock.

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[wd1506]

Will OP have to renew all licences at 70 though or will the recently renewed ones carry over?

 

[wd1506]

My car license is ok until next year.

 

[wd1506]

If you can drive 26 or 44 t they cant stop you driving upto 7 1/2t

That’s what I’m hoping.

 

[Nigel P]

One for the legal eagles. I am in the throes of renewing my truck and bus licenses but in a few months I will have my 70th birthday.
Will I be expected to take another medical to keep my C1 or is it covered by my truck entitlement.

C1 is regarded as a sub-group of C so the renewal of C will automatically renew C1 but the validity will run in sync with the group C, hence the expiry would be the same as C. The grandfather rights entitlement granted with a car test pre-1997 falls under the global 70+ renewal process but as you are continuing with your Cat C the problem of the grandfather rights C1 would only crop up next year. Specifically renewing a C1 would only become necessary at the point you decide to drop Cat C and continue to rely on your initial car test entitlements.
If the two renewals you mention are less than 4 months from the medical you can use the same form.
As others have mentioned there are some horror stories of DVLA mistakes followed by denial of records of previous licence history. I suggest checking using this link and keeping the results page for future reference in case anything gets 'lost!'
You just need your licence number, NI number and Post Code to do the check. (also shows CPC and tachocard data if needed.)

View or share your driving licence information

Find out what information DVLA holds about your driving licence or create a check code to share your driving record, for example to hire a car

www.gov.uk

I would also suggest keeping scanned copies of the D4 and D2 forms for peace of mind.

 

[JockandRita]

C1 is regarded as a sub-group of C so the renewal of C will automatically renew C1 but the validity will run in sync with the group C, hence the expiry would be the same as C.

Is that not the advice I gave above, at 14.48hrs today?

I would also suggest keeping scanned copies of the D4 and D2 forms for peace of mind.

Absolutely crucial, wd1506, and of both sides of your photocard licence, as "it is you who needs to prove evidence" of what licence categories you are entitled to, when DVLA (very conveniently for them), lose your licence renewal application.

Experienced Traffic Police Officers have been known to lose their full Motorcycle category, due to the incompetence of DVLA, whereupon the applicant was unable to produce evidence of categories previously obtained.

Good luck,

Jock.

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[Riverbankannie]

My car license is ok until next year.

I thought you said in opening post you will be 70 in a couple of months

 

[wd1506]

I thought you said in opening post you will be 70 in a couple of months

I’m 70 in Nov but license is current until middle of next year.

 

[wd1506]

Is that not the advice I gave above, at 14.48hrs today?


Absolutely crucial, wd1506, and of both sides of your photocard licence, as "it is you who needs to prove evidence" of what licence categories you are entitled to, when DVLA (very conveniently for them), lose your licence renewal application.

Experienced Traffic Police Officers have been known to lose their full Motorcycle category, due to the incompetence of DVLA, whereupon the applicant was unable to produce evidence of categories previously obtained.

Good luck,

Jock.

Yes I’ve kept copies of everything. Comes from years of dealing with VOSA. DVLA and DVSA.

 

[Riverbankannie]

I’m 70 in Nov but license is current until middle of next year.

As far as I understand it all licences have to be renewed at 70, that is none are valid after 70 but someone please correct me.
Quote from DVLA
Driving licences expire at 70 years of age, so when you reach 70, you need to renew your driving licence if you wish to continue driving.

 

[JockandRita]

As far as I understand it all licences have to be renewed at 70, that is none are valid after 70 but someone please correct me.
Quote from DVLA
Driving licences expire at 70 years of age, so when you reach 70, you need to renew your driving licence if you wish to continue driving.

But if his C (HGV) category is current beyond the age of 70, so is his C1, until the expiry of the C.

Cheers,

Jock.

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[nicholsong]

But if his C (HGV) category is current beyond the age of 70, so is his C1, until the expiry of the C.

Cheers,

Jock.

Jock I would think that is logical and correct.

I think the advice about renewal at 70 is for Joe Blogs with a standard licence, not for professional licence holders, but they should make that clear one way or another.

 

[pappajohn]

I’m 70 in Nov but license is current until middle of next year.

Your licence expires in full on your 70th birthday.
If It shows as expiring after that date it's an error.

 

[Riverbankannie]

But if his C (HGV) category is current beyond the age of 70, so is his C1, until the expiry of the C.

Cheers,

Jock.

Your licence expires in full on your 70th birthday.
If It shows as expiring after that date it's an error.

Well that hasn’t helped!

 

[JockandRita]

Your licence expires in full on your 70th birthday.
If It shows as expiring after that date it's an error.

Well that hasn’t helped!

And I can see why Annie, but as the OP already has a current C (HGV) licence beyond age 70, but only valid for 12 x months due to age, this then automatically extends his C1 to the same expiry date.

pappajohn is referring to the expiry date for the ordinary licence, which of course initially expires at 70. Renewals if wishing to retain the C1 then become 3 x yearly. Renewals for C (HGV) and D (PSV) become annual from age 65.
I shall be renewing my C & D again near the end of the year, and certainly before I head for the sun, for my licence not to expire whilst abroad.
Whilst Section 88 of the Road Traffic Act applies here in the UK, (allowing a continuation of driving whilst the renewal application is pending), it does not apply anywhere else.

HTH,

Jock.

 

[JockandRita]

Jock I would think that is logical and correct.

I think the advice about renewal at 70 is for Joe Blogs with a standard licence, not for professional licence holders, but they should make that clear one way or another.

Absolutely Geoff, hence my explanation to Annie above, a few minutes ago.

Cheers,

Jock.

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[Derbyshire wanderer]

Your licence expires in full on your 70th birthday.
If It shows as expiring after that date it's an error.

Most do but vocational licensing and/or medical requirements can involve some delays and when issuing them the date of issue is the starting point for the 1, 3 or 5 year entitlement. Mine expires about 6 weeks after my birthday for this reason.

 

[gilbaro]

How far in advance of 70 year expiry can you apply for new licence and get medical to maintain C1

 

[ChrisL]

How far in advance of 70 year expiry can you apply for new licence and get medical to maintain C1

90 days, however if you apply between 90 days and 56 days your licence will renew from the date of application but you will not need a new photo, if you apply after 56 days your license will renew from the expiry date of the old one but you will need a new photo to send with your application. Don't ask me why.

 

[Diabalo]

The medical is valid for 4 months from completing