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BBC News - Motorhome sleeping ban for council car parks

Motorhome sleeping ban for council car parks in Lincoln

Campervan and motorhome owners will not be allowed to sleep in their vehicles in Lincoln car parks.

www.bbc.com

 

[Jim]

Yes, read it on this forum this morning. That will be missed by us, we used it quite a lot. I've never seen anyone misbehaving, but I'm only ever there in the winter. There are always a few parked up.

 

[Gaston aires]

Another motorhome banning order. Someone or some people have obviously complained.

 

[daveclare]

Don't really care. Plenty of other places to find and enjoy.

 

[steve69]

Plenty of other places to find and enjoy.

Those are also diminishing as time goes by. The whole of Wales went years ago.

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[jerryz]

That clowncillor is talking total Bullshit ,,, he needs a good slap and some common sense .i have used lawn 4 times

 

[LostInSpace]

The whole of Wales went years.

Certainly not the case for the new "aires" in the North West of Wales.

 

[gus-lopez]

I fail to see how they can differentiate between vehicles? Either sleeping in anything is banned or you can still sleep in none mH registered vans & cars?

 

[Larby]

It’s a fire risk apparently sleeping in a Motorhome

 

[U.Toadifact]

I fail to see how they can differentiate between vehicles? Either sleeping in anything is banned or you can still sleep in none mH registered vans & cars?

How are lorry drivers permitted to overnight in a layby when motorhomes and caravans are moved on by the boys in blue?

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[VXman]

Don't really care. Plenty of other places to find and enjoy.

Disappointing attitude. Lincoln is a fantastic place and the Lawns car park is right up by the cathedral and other historical buildings. It has been a lovely place to stop. I usually go the there the night before a booking for servicing etc at Camper UK.

Sure there are plenty of other places to stay but it's still sad when good places disappear.

 

[VXman]

I fail to see how they can differentiate between vehicles? Either sleeping in anything is banned or you can still sleep in none mH registered vans & cars?

If you aren't snoring how will they know whether you are sleeping in there?

 

[Oldrat]

The ban is clearly about raising more money as folks chose the cheaper car park to the more expensive COUNCIL run site.

Drivers pay £5 per night to park overnight at The Lawn, or £9.80 for up to 24 hours. That compares with the £21.50 average price for an overnight stay for a motorhome at the council's Hartsholme Country Park campsite.

 

[Oldrat]

Personally I’ll avoid staying overnight in a car park unless it has a dedicated motorhome area- otherwise it’s far too noisy.

 

[Geistguy]

How much revenue will now be lost ie parking charges, shops, restaurants and visitor centres.

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[DuxDeluxe]

The title “portfolio holder for inclusive economic growth” tells me everything I need to know

 

[DerryW]

How are lorry drivers permitted to overnight in a layby when motorhomes and caravans are moved on by the boys in blue?

That is a very good point. Also I’m yet to see a 6mtr gap/fire break between LGV’s when parked overnight on Mway service areas.

So any local authority using the spacing between units as a genuine reason, need to be seen adopting that same policy across their entire jurisdiction.

Also when the travelling fraternity decides to turn up on the village green, I don’t remember the spacing of units ever being discussed, it’s normally how quickly can we provide waste skips and mobile toilets.

The uk is fast becoming anti motorhome. If only CCP were brave enough to enter the uk market it would go some way of solving the problem.

Yes, I know lots and lots of people who enjoy our hobby (myself included) prefer not to have to pay for the pleasure of parking on someone’s 20m2 of ground for a few hours, but it’s clear those opportunities are becoming less and less.

 

[altomos]

Those are also diminishing as time goes by. The whole of Wales went years ago.

That is not correct Steve69! All of Powys has it car parks open. Some are charging while most are free. Also Gwynedd has now introduced many paid Aires in the country I live in South East Wales all carpaks here have no restrictions

 

[Deepingvet]

Please explain this LCC…..these are trucks parked near Northampton in a Truckstop it is like this 24/7..!!! 6m gap my arse!
We all know why you’re doing it, so don’t make up some pi55 poor excuse for doing it.!
For those who don’t know what I’m going on about Google Matlock train station and the ‘overstayers’….

 

[beeza]

actions like this are the reason we holiday in Europe

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[Flairy]

I now don’t ever stay in the uk is a shame brexit reduced to90 day rule .

 

[Tea Bag]

How are lorry drivers permitted to overnight in a layby when motorhomes and caravans are moved on by the boys in blue?

Hi.
1. Drivers hours . Modern cabs are like mini M/ho's now. 2. Have you seen lorries parked later on of an evening parked in/on the entrance exits to Service stations both here and on the continent because the parking area is full.........
Tea Bag. aka Lay bye Lil'

 

[Alcfire]

This is nothing new for Lincolnshire, nearly every car park has a height restriction. They just don’t want motorhomes in Lincs

 

[Just smiffy]

How much revenue will now be lost ie parking charges, shops, restaurants and visitor centres.

They probably think they’ll get more money in fines, uk is shortsighted…

 

[Lavender1]

The ban is clearly about raising more money as folks chose the cheaper car park to the more expensive COUNCIL run site.

Drivers pay £5 per night to park overnight at The Lawn, or £9.80 for up to 24 hours. That compares with the £21.50 average price for an overnight stay for a motorhome at the council's Hartsholme Country Park campsite.

We live 5 minutes from Hartsholme. The site is great value, wish we lived further away so we would visit with our motorhome but walk everyday in park with our dogs. For £20ish you have showers, washing clothes/dishes etc. water and somewhere to dump your . In addition, a large park to exercise your dogs. Bus stop outside for Lincoln. We consider their charge VERY reasonable. If you can afford a motorhome, none are cheap these days, you can afford to park on designated site. However, after a certain time, a bollard pops up, restricting entry into park but, if you are on campsite, you have a code. There are plenty of spaces to “wildcamp” as you enter park and I don’t suppose anybody will bother you.

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[VXman]

The uk is fast becoming anti motorhome. If only CCP were brave enough to enter the uk market it would go some way of solving the problem.

I imagine it would be very expensive to buy land to set up in the the UK (in comparison to France) and buying up older Aires and revamping them is not an option like they do in France.

The only possibility is buying up present campsites - probably too expensive too.

 

[VXman]

Personally I’ll avoid staying overnight in a car park unless it has a dedicated motorhome area- otherwise it’s far too noisy.

The Lincoln car park by the cathedral that I have used several times was always perfectly quiet. The CAMC carpark used the other week on the otherhand.... people rolling their toilet cassettes and water rollers to the empty/fill points at 8am

 

[MichaelT]

I imagine it would be very expensive to buy land to set up in the the UK (in comparison to France) and buying up older Aires and revamping them is not an option like they do in France.

The only possibility is buying up present campsites - probably too expensive too.

CCP don't buy sites, they run them on behalf of land owners such as councils etc. who set the rates CCP charge.

 

[Dogstoat]

BBC News - Motorhome sleeping ban for council car parks

Motorhome sleeping ban for council car parks in Lincoln

Campervan and motorhome owners will not be allowed to sleep in their vehicles in Lincoln car parks.

www.bbc.com

Hmmm....read carefully.

BBC News - Motorhome sleeping ban for council car parks

Motorhome sleeping ban for council car parks in Lincoln

Campervan and motorhome owners will not be allowed to sleep in their vehicles in Lincoln car parks.

www.bbc.com

Just a few observations on this post and the broader subject of parking and sleeping overnight which readers can 'take or leave'.

I stopped at a well-known 'beauty spot' in Wales last week. There were signs stating '"No sleeping in vehicles overnight".

Tellingly, there were no signs regarding penalties for failing to comply.

I ignored the sign and stayed (and slept) in my motorhome overnight.

As I was packing up to leave the next morning at about 0800, a warden appeared and asked me if I had parked overnight and slept in my vehicle.

I answered truthfully.

"Didn't you see the signs"? he asked.

"I did Sir, but they are not enforceable are they"? I replied.

He admitted that they were not. I chatted amicably with him for a few minutes and impressed on him that I had not left any litter. I then went on my way.

In many cases, it depends on how much of a push-over you choose to be.

If you park on private land and it's just you and your vehicle then a court order is required to evict you. The Police have no power to move you on or arrest you unless you have committed damage, threatened or assaulted someone or forced entry.

If you are parked on a road or public place, as long as your vehicle is taxed, insured and MOT'd then the Police have no power whatsoever to 'move you on' unless you are clearly causing an obstruction. You commit no offence by sleeping in your vehicle. If you remain in situ for days on end (and they receive complaints from local residents) then the Police will inform the local council and send a 'bod' out to ask that you move and to inform you that if you don't then a court order will be sought to 'reclaim the highway from misuse'.
(How do I know this? It was one aspect of my job with a local authority for many years)

The expression 'the Police will move you on' is a nonsense legally. There is no such power. Police have an option to arrest (which they have to justify and show reasonable suspicion that you have committed a criminal offence...and sleeping in your vehicle is definitely NOT a criminal offence)... or do nothing. You will find that if you behave respectfully, make it clear that you know the law and indicate that you will be leaving the next day (or in a couple of days) leaving no mess or litter, they will choose the latter option. The court order option will take several days and cost money so easier that you are allowed to leave in your own time.

The Police will often try to invoke the 'Barbed Wire Act'...this is a euphemism for them directing you to do or not do something when they have no power to give such direction. They simply bank on you caving in and complying.
(How do I know this? I was a Police Officer for over 30 years)

I'm not advising anyone to have an altercation with the Police or anyone else. I'm simply stating what the law is.

How 'campers' decide to react to any challenge by the Police or others is matter for them.

Always smile, never be rude.....

Happy travels......

 

[Dogstoat]

How are lorry drivers permitted to overnight in a layby when motorhomes and caravans are moved on by the boys in blue?

Have you actually been 'moved on' as you put it in such circumstances i.e. stopping overnight in a lay-by in a motorhome or are you assuming this is what would happen? The Police have absolutely no power whatsoever to do such a thing as long as your vehicle is road legal.

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