Are all wheels equal?

[daventess]

Need to buy a spare wheel for Ducato motorhome (2021).

Is a wheel of the right size (and bolt pattern/etc) like any other wheel? What I mean is, there aren't "Motorhome" wheels (for, example, the extra weight), are there?

I need a 225x75xr16 5x130 wheel. I can get this identical looking one £228 (to my eyes at least) :

16" FIAT DUCATO, MOTORHOME, RELAY, BOXER GENUINE ALLOY WHEEL 5x130 | eBay

Centre Bore: 78mm.

www.ebay.co.uk

or this one for £160 with tyre (which I'd dump for my spare which is the same as the rest of my tyres) :

Pardon our interruption...

And there are steel wheels even cheaper (though I read somewhere on here that the bolts might not fit from the alloys, though I guess I could carry those spare too?)

I wish high street shops still sold wheels, so I could take it in and get their advice directly. Nowhere around here does, and if I buy the wrong wheel I canonly imagine the faff trying to send it back.

 

[Garfields]

Your probably aware but there are two stud spacing sizes depending if it's a light or heavy chasie

 

[daventess]

Your probably aware but there are two stud spacing sizes depending if it's a light or heavy chasie

Is that the 5x118 or 5x130? If so, I believe mine to be 5x130 as I measured 76mm between the centre of two side by side bolts.

MH is an uprated 3.5t (to 4.4t) so I would assume a heavy chassis, but i don't know how to confirm that.

 

[The Coops]

You can of course use a steel rim as its is a spare and your tyre.

 

[daventess]

You can of course use a steel rim as its is a spare and your tyre.

I thought there was some issue with that? Though logically, I can't think what it is.

So I would be fine using a steel wheel as a spare when the rest are alloys?

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[denisejoe]

I thought there was some issue with that? Though logically, I can't think what it is.

So I would be fine using a steel wheel as a spare when the rest are alloys?

Would probably need different studs

 

[The Coops]

Yes no problem at all its the tyre that will need balancing on the rim and the studs are fine see previous posts by Lenny HB and other on stud issues

 

[VXman]

I thought there was some issue with that? Though logically, I can't think what it is.

So I would be fine using a steel wheel as a spare when the rest are alloys?

Have you seen the tiny thin space saver 'bicycle' wheels a lot of cars use? As long as it fits with the studs/bolts/dockets then it's fine. I'd suggest that for temporary (get me to a garage) use even a slightly different size would do.

 

[Orion]

Yes no problem at all its the tyre that will need balancing on the rim and the studs are fine see previous posts by Lenny HB and other on stud issues

Agree with you. Wasn’t the stud/bolt issue previously brought up in relation to someone using aftermarket, (non-Fiat), alloys? In any event in some countries it’s going to be a mandatory recovery before replacement, so having the tyre available is likely to be the more important factor.

 

[dunnah01]

You need to know the axle weight allowed and then make sure the wheel can support over half the weight. If the van is 4400kg then the rear axle will probably be about 2500kg so you need a wheel that can take 1250kg

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[scotjimland]

Re Bolts

I replaced four Alloy wheels that were leaking and not suitable for high pressure valves with with new steel rims

... same bolts used

you can fit a slightly shorter stud with steels but not essential; .. they were changed by a tyre fitter who gave that information

 

[oldiesontour]

Would probably need different studs

NUTS ...not studs

 

[dunnah01]

NUTS ...not studs

Bolts not NUTS

 

[dunnah01]

Need to buy a spare wheel for Ducato motorhome (2021).

Is a wheel of the right size (and bolt pattern/etc) like any other wheel? What I mean is, there aren't "Motorhome" wheels (for, example, the extra weight), are there?

I need a 225x75xr16 5x130 wheel. I can get this identical looking one £228 (to my eyes at least) :

16" FIAT DUCATO, MOTORHOME, RELAY, BOXER GENUINE ALLOY WHEEL 5x130 | eBay

Centre Bore: 78mm.

www.ebay.co.uk

or this one for £160 with tyre (which I'd dump for my spare which is the same as the rest of my tyres) :

Pardon our interruption...

And there are steel wheels even cheaper (though I read somewhere on here that the bolts might not fit from the alloys, though I guess I could carry those spare too?)

I wish high street shops still sold wheels, so I could take it in and get their advice directly. Nowhere around here does, and if I buy the wrong wheel I canonly imagine the faff trying to send it back.

The top wheels are only 1200kg which is probably limiting the rear axle to 2400kg and 4400kg total.

 

[daventess]

How do I find the load capacity of the wheel? It doesn't seem to be a quoted figure (or at least I don't recognise it as such) ?

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[JRT]

The spare on our Kuga is steel. (Space saving)

The main wheels are alloy.

Ok for short distance and reduced speed, enough to get you to a puncture repair place or home if close by. Not sure why it would be different for a MH.

 

[DDJC]

Have you seen the tiny thin space saver 'bicycle' wheels a lot of cars use? As long as it fits with the studs/bolts/dockets then it's fine. I'd suggest that for temporary (get me to a garage) use even a slightly different size would do.

Agree. I uprated to 225 70 R15s from 215. However the spare is still a 215.

 

[DDJC]

How do I find the load capacity of the wheel? It doesn't seem to be a quoted figure (or at least I don't recognise it as such) ?

Rating	Weight
108​	1000​
109​	1030​
110​	1060​
111​	1090​
112​	1120​
113​	1150​
114​	1180​
115​	1215​
116​	1250​
117​	1285​
118​	1320​
119​	1360​
120​	1400​
121​	1450​
122​	1500​
123​	1550​
124​	1600​
125​	1650​
126​	1700​

 

[daventess]

Rating	Weight
108​	1000​
109​	1030​
110​	1060​
111​	1090​
112​	1120​
113​	1150​
114​	1180​
115​	1215​
116​	1250​
117​	1285​
118​	1320​
119​	1360​
120​	1400​
121​	1450​
122​	1500​
123​	1550​
124​	1600​
125​	1650​
126​	1700​

Sorry I still don't get that - I've not seen a wheel with that number on it (or again, maybe I just don't recognise it as such). I've seen tyres, but not wheels.

 

[DDJC]

Wheels or rims, are (mostly) wheels. The load index is for the tyres you put on the wheels.

You have to investigate the Load Index through the tyre manufacturer website.

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[dunnah01]

How do I find the load capacity of the wheel? It doesn't seem to be a quoted figure (or at least I don't recognise it as such) ?

It's usually cast into the wheel inner face. It's sometimes given in the advert but often omitted. The heavy chassis is often borderline on wheel strength so you really need to ask the sellers.
The tyre load rating is a different thing all together and is only relevant to the tyre itself.

 

[Lenny HB]

Rating	Weight
108​	1000​
109​	1030​
110​	1060​
111​	1090​
112​	1120​
113​	1150​
114​	1180​
115​	1215​
116​	1250​
117​	1285​
118​	1320​
119​	1360​
120​	1400​
121​	1450​
122​	1500​
123​	1550​
124​	1600​
125​	1650​
126​	1700​

Those are tyre load ratings nothing to do with the wheel.

You need the wheel part number then ask the manufacturer, Fiat wheels normally have a prt number stamped on them.

 

[daventess]

Ordered one of these :

Pardon our interruption...

Gave the seller my requirements and he recommended it, so fingers crossed.

 

[Lenny HB]

Ordered one of these :

Pardon our interruption...

Gave the seller my requirements and he recommended it, so fingers crossed.

What was the load rating?

 

[daventess]

What was the load rating?

1,250kg. My rear axle rating is 2,500kg, so that should be ok?

edit - actually it's got 124R stamped on the side. Does that mean that's the max tyre load it could take? If so then it's more than that, about 1,600 if by lbs to kg convertion is right ...

They are 1,275 according to here :

Alcar 7011 steel rim 16 inch for Ducato, Boxer, Jumper heavy chassis

4 pieces (= 1 set) original steel rims from Alcar in size 6J x 16 H2 (5x130x78.1), offset (ET) 68, for Fiat Ducato with heavy chassis.

www.caravan-elements.de

though how authoritative that site is I don't know ...

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[WESTY66]

The top wheels are only 1200kg which is probably limiting the rear axle to 2400kg and 4400kg total.

I took mine off as I was told they were 1250kg( I now have 1450kg ones)
If you’re right about them being 1200 there’s an awful lot of carthago chic C lines with those wheels on driving round illegally

 

[Lenny HB]

If you’re right about them being 1200 there’s an awful lot of carthago chic C lines with those wheels on driving round illegally

The Fiat Maxi chassis is 2400kg on the rear axle. I think the C line was on a Fiat with the Al-Ko as an option also I think the older heavy Al-Ko before the AMC was only 2400kg.

 

[WESTY66]

The Fiat Maxi chassis is 2400kg on the rear axle. I think the C line was on a Fiat with the Al-Ko as an option also I think the older heavy Al-Ko before the AMC was only 2400kg.

Mine was 2500kg

 

[Lenny HB]

Mine was 2500kg
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Are you saying yours had the incorrect wheels?

 

[dunnah01]

I took mine off as I was told they were 1250kg( I now have 1450kg ones)
If you’re right about them being 1200 there’s an awful lot of carthago chic C lines with those wheels on driving round illegally

The spec says 1200kg so yet another minefield to negotiate with axle loads