Another Tyre question - what do you experts think

[Blaydon]

Hi Folks,
Like many others, our new van was supplied with Camper tyres. They are now getting thin and so I am looking to replace them. I have read about folks going to van tyres rather than camper tyres and so spoke to my local dealer about them. I trust his experience and while he may not run a motorhome, he has a lot of knowledge on van, and car tyres. He said the difference between Camper and Van tyres is the Camper tyre has UV resistance built in to the outer layer to reduce cracking when sitting on one place. Otherwise they are the same. Now he may be right, and the impact of that treatment results in the noise and ride impact that folks have experienced.
However, before I shell out on new boots, I would like to know what you experts out there would recommend. Technology is always moving on so what was put in a thread three years ago may not be accurate now. I am happy to report back on the option I select and let you know what, if any, impact I can detect.
The vehicle is a Fiat Ducato, 16" wheel 4.25t, A class.
So good people, what rubbers would you suggest?
(Please don't get too off the point or this may end up in Smile for the day!)

 

[FrankNicklin]

Thought Motorhome tyres had stronger sidewalls and higher pressures as most MH's run fully laden most of the time compared to van tyres. Might be wrong and I stand corrected if thats not the case. Not seen any mention of UV protection.

 

[Lenny HB]

He said the difference between Camper and Van tyres is the Camper tyre has UV resistance built in to the outer layer to reduce cracking when sitting on one place.

He has come up with a new one there, must be his imagination.
Camper tyres have stiffer side walls supposed to be better if the van is left sitting unused for long periods but it also gives a rock hard bone shattering ride.

I hate camper tyres I fitted Toyo Observe van tyres to my 4.5t van. Major improvement in grip and ride comfort. The fronts wear quicker than the camper but strangely the rears wear slower.

 

[RowleyBirkinQC]

I am happy to report back on the option I select and let you know what, if any, impact I can detect.

Your eventual tyre selection, those recommended by your tyre dealer and subsequent findings would be useful to hear. We’re currently on the default camper tyres, but will change to regular van tyres when required. I’ve not heard about the supposed UV protection before, just the stiffer side walls on camper tyres.

 

[steve69]

I was told that camper tyres were made to withstand long periods of standing, as when in storage, compared with normal van tyres. Being less susceptible to developing "flat spots" caused by long-term standing.

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[bigtwin]

He said the difference between Camper and Van tyres is the Camper tyre has UV resistance built in to the outer layer to reduce cracking when sitting on one place.

Sounds like he knows his stuff. I mean, we all know that as soon as a vehicle moves from its parking spot the sun disables its UV rays and hence cannot act upon a moving tyre.

Ian

 

[The Coops]

Sounds like he knows his stuff. I mean, we all know that as soon as a vehicle moves from its parking spot the sun disables its UV rays and hence cannot act upon a moving tyre.

Ian

SPF 50 rubbed into them? Stiffer sidewalls only difference, as far as I know, it's the ply, load rating and rain/snow markings you should be looking at, I am with all the others, van tyres give a better and smoother drive if you use your van rather than having it stood around for 11 months of the year they are fine

 

[PP Bear]

Sorry, but anti UV resistance

Knowledgeable?

I’d go elsewhere, or buy online and get them fitted at a location of your choice, but only after doing all the relevant research, checks and balance, into what tyres that you’re happy with. Tis ok asking us for advice, but I just put 4 new boots on my AT and £850 squiddlies, so you need to choose

 

[Simonnsj]

He has come up with a new one there, must be his imagination.
Camper tyres have stiffer side walls supposed to be better if the van is left sitting unused for long periods but it also gives a rock hard bone shattering ride.

I hate camper tyres I fitted Toyo Observe van tyres to my 4.5t van. Major improvement in grip and ride comfort. The fronts wear quicker than the camper but strangely the rears wear slower.

Just out of interest Lenny, what pressures do you run? We have a 4.25T MH with Michelin CC's but am tempted to go for van tyres when they need changing as the ride can be unbearable and I see so many MH's mainly in Europe using van tyres rather than camper specific.

Thanks

 

[Fdhadi]

Fitted Toyo Observe winter van tyres as recommended by LennyHB. Much better ride and very happy with the change, also a very good price.

My last tyres were the UV Resistance type, they were Mitch Raybon’s

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[VXman]

Sounds like he knows his stuff. I mean, we all know that as soon as a vehicle moves from its parking spot the sun disables its UV rays and hence cannot act upon a moving tyre.

Ian

But you do see some motorhomers who cover up their tyres when camping. Is that UV related or just because they don't like the look of their tyres/wheels?

 

[Mikeco]

But you do see some motorhomers who cover up their tyres when camping. Is that UV related or just because they don't like the look of their tyres/wheels?

I have one wheel covered up at the moment while in Spain as it would be in the sun for a few hours and have done for a few years. It works for me as my Bridgestone tyres are approaching 6 years old and there are no sign of any sidewall cracks.

 

[Sue and Rick]

He has come up with a new one there, must be his imagination.
Camper tyres have stiffer side walls supposed to be better if the van is left sitting unused for long periods but it also gives a rock hard bone shattering ride.

I hate camper tyres I fitted Toyo Observe van tyres to my 4.5t van. Major improvement in grip and ride comfort. The fronts wear quicker than the camper but strangely the rears wear slower.

Any issues with the insurance companies fitting these?

Genuine question

 

[Two on Tour]

But you do see some motorhomers who cover up their tyres when camping. Is that UV related or just because they don't like the look of their tyres/wheels?

I have silver reflective tyre covers to protect the tyres from UV in strong sunlight.
I'm not using special camper tyres, so I need the tyre covers.

 

[TheTwoOfUs]

After years of running with camper specific tyres I have just fitted 225/75/R16 Falken Allseason tyres. I contacted their technical department for pressures and they advised 3 bar on the front and 4.1 bar on the rears which have axle loadings of 1500kg & 2000kg respectively. The ride is much more comfortable and the wheel spin I sometimes got when setting off uphill from junctions has not been experienced.

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[1967bowesj]

Any issues with the insurance companies fitting these?

Genuine question

not if the weight and speed rating match or exceed original. Also not wider at the front than rear, if memory serves me correctly.

 

[bigtwin]

But you do see some motorhomers who cover up their tyres when camping. Is that UV related or just because they don't like the look of their tyres/wheels?

That'll be because they don’t have the specially treated camper tyres; they must have normal commercial tyres hence the need for a UV barrier.

Ian

 

[1967bowesj]

After years of running with camper specific tyres I have just fitted 225/75/R16 Falken Allseason tyres. I contacted their technical department for pressures and they advised 3 bar on the front and 4.1 bar on the rears which have axle loadings of 1500kg & 2000kg respectively. The ride is much more comfortable and the wheel spin I sometimes got when setting off uphill from junctions has not been experienced.

If you don’t mind,how much for them.
will need the camper ones on new to me van doing this year

 

[bigtwin]

SPF 50 rubbed into them?

Ian

 

[TheTwoOfUs]

£160 each balanced and fitted. Bought from Blackcircles and fitted at our local Dexel tyre centre as part of the deal.

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[DDJC]

I have Conti Campers on for the last five years. Going to Bridgestone Duravais All Season this year. Better rain and better ride apparently.

 

[Speve]

Regarding camping tyres and UV protection this makes an interesting read and from info provided Michelin recommend protecting tyres from UV which to me means that their tyres are not specifically treated for UV

Which motorhome tyres should I use? | MICHELIN UK

Everything you need to know about the best tyres for your motorhome and their pressure for safe driving.

www.michelin.co.uk

 

[Jake Royd]

About flat spotting on tyres.
Had this happen on car I had left at the airport in the winter.
Like driving on threepenny bits but only for a very short time.
Tyres warm up very quickly due to the amount of deformation per revolution.
So , yes, it's a problem but not a very serious one IMHO.

 

[Mikeco]

I have Conti Campers on for the last five years. Going to Bridgestone Duravais All Season this year. Better rain and better ride apparently.

Good choice, my van came with Bridgestone Duravis tyres and I’ve renewed with the same and have been very good, the present ones are 5 or 6 years old and after 20000 miles still have 7mm of tread and no sign of cracking. Have been looking at changing to the all season ones next year .

 

[Daffy64]

About flat spotting on tyres.
Had this happen on car I had left at the airport in the winter.
Like driving on threepenny bits but only for a very short time.
Tyres warm up very quickly due to the amount of deformation per revolution.
So , yes, it's a problem but not a very serious one IMHO.

I did some extensive work with the MOD on putting vehicles into storage, when we got to tyres they weren’t interested as had apparently been informed by Tyre manufacturers that whilst the tyre will go out of shape if left standing it will sort itself out wits a little use - they reckoned it was uncomfortable for a couple of miles for a vehicle that hadn’t moved for 10+ years.

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[tonyidle]

I have Conti Campers on for the last five years. Going to Bridgestone Duravais All Season this year. Better rain and better ride apparently.

I'm ahead of the curve for once. I fitted 6 Bridgestone last year. Excellent so far.

 

[Cemmy074]

hi everyone ,, we have ducato 3.5t when one of my rear tyre blown (215/70/15c) when we were out of uk , they recommended to use 225/70/15c 10ply tyres for moho,, they said yes 8ply 215/70/15c are ok but these are moho which they always carry more weight.. and 10plys are more stiff ,, and now i want to change my front tyres with all weather should i go 10 ply or 8 ply .. tnx

 

[denisejoe]

£160 each balanced and fitted. Bought from Blackcircles and fitted at our local Dexel tyre centre as part of the deal.

I paid £100 each for the same tyres fitted and balanced at A2tyres in Sittingbourne Kent a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Oldrat]

It’s not about weight, it's about being parked up for long periods.

See Michelin’s own web site

HERE

(Although I doubt the claim that stiffer sidewalls provide better comfort!)

Travel in comfort: robust tyre design for both when driving and parked up.​

Engineered for long-lasting treadlife, the MICHELIN CrossClimate Camping motorhome tyre has an abrasion resistant tread compound that is based on truck technology. With reinforced sidewalls for improved impact and kerb resistance, the robust casing with CP marking is designed to withstand long-term parking[6].

 

[Blaydon]

It’s not about weight, it's about being parked up for long periods.

See Michelin’s own web site

HERE

(Although I doubt the claim that stiffer sidewalls provide better comfort!)

Travel in comfort: robust tyre design for both when driving and parked up.​

Engineered for long-lasting treadlife, the MICHELIN CrossClimate Camping motorhome tyre has an abrasion resistant tread compound that is based on truck technology. With reinforced sidewalls for improved impact and kerb resistance, the robust casing with CP marking is designed to withstand long-term parking[6].

Hi there. We have self levelling and so the pressure is off the tyres when we are parked up. So the impact of standing in one place is minimal.