A12 new road already has potholes and has repairs/Marks Tey-Stanway

Don't know what the fuss is about, it's only 6 months and £11m over budget, to redo 3 miles of road!
Previously there was a year or so of roadworks to do the barriers, once it's done they will close it off again to widen it to 3 lanes from Hatfield Peverel to marks Tey! What couldn't they have coordinate it all and do it as once surely would have saved millions, and months of congestion?
 
Had groundwork’s contract to a new local authority road scheme about 8 years ago and when they came to tarmac ever day areas would be rejected due to bad finish or laid in at wrong temperature.
Was like a patchwork quilt at the end and a lot that should have been taken out stayed in.
No doubt a lot of that would be coming up within a few years!!

Heard after that local authority had done a deal with tarmac firm so they could leave some bad areas in🤔🤔🤔
 
You wonder where they find some of the muppets they employ.
Big pothole why a road from our estate joins the main road it was about a foot deep you really had to be careful it was really dangerous. After many complaints to the council it took them two months to send someone out to fix it. In the meantime another big deep one appeared two to three feet from the first one. So they fix the first one but leave the other one.
Makes you want to withhold your council tax when you see such stubidity.
 
My son is a chartered engineer managing large roads projects for a contracting company. I understand that the contract terms are very strict so no idea what has happened here. I sill contact him and ask (it was not one of his projects by the way!). When I left SGS in 2014, one blessing was that I did not have to drive the A12 ever again

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Lenny HB said:
You wonder where they find some of the muppets they employ.
Big pothole why a road from our estate joins the main road it was about a foot deep you really had to be careful it was really dangerous. After many complaints to the council it took them two months to send someone out to fix it. In the meantime another big deep one appeared two to three feet from the first one. So they fix the first one but leave the other one.
Makes you want to withhold your council tax when you see such stubidity.
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Anyone coming to visit Dux Towers will have to negotiate the slip road outside our manor. Looks like the Somme battlefield despite multiple pothole repairs courtesy of “fix my street” website which works really well to get something done
 
DuxDeluxe said:
Anyone coming to visit Dux Towers will have to negotiate the slip road outside our manor. Looks like the Somme battlefield despite multiple pothole repairs courtesy of “fix my street” website which works really well to get something done
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We have a lane next to our house like that great big holes 4 foot wide. Only 4 properties on the lane. Neighbours want to do something about it but it is also access to a recreation ground and allotments. I'm in favor or leaving it as it slows vehicles down so I'm not really prepared to contribute, I did the last couple of times it's been done up.
 
Lenny HB said:
You wonder where they find some of the muppets they employ.
Big pothole why a road from our estate joins the main road it was about a foot deep you really had to be careful it was really dangerous. After many complaints to the council it took them two months to send someone out to fix it. In the meantime another big deep one appeared two to three feet from the first one. So they fix the first one but leave the other one.
Makes you want to withhold your council tax when you see such stubidity.
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They wouldn't have been paid if they had fixed the other one.
 
olley said:
They wouldn't have been paid if they had fixed the other one.
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Just plain stupidity they had the materials with them would have taken ½ hour now ua tax payers will have to pay for another ½ day plus transport costs to fix the other hole, so probably 10 times the cost of fixing it at the same time.

If councils didn't waste so much money on stupidity they wouldn't be going bankrupt.
 
The real issue for all these sorts of problems, whether, roads, parks, swimming pools, etc. etc is in one word...... outsourcing. The contract is often written so that any sort of 'extra' is charged at ridiculous rates.

On the pot hole issue, around here, most start where utilities have previously dug up the road (often within weeks of being resurfaced!). Personally when they make good, I think there should be at least two years where they have to come back and do it again, and again until it does last! Ultimately it would hit them so hard in the pocket they would start doing the job properly first time. It has to be cheaper for councils to directly employ teams and manage them properly.
 
Councils out source everything nowadays, no council workers anymore, as a contractor are you going to do more than your paid for?
Beaten by meanders ::bigsmile:
 
Lenny HB said:
We have a lane next to our house like that great big holes 4 foot wide. Only 4 properties on the lane. Neighbours want to do something about it but it is also access to a recreation ground and allotments. I'm in favor or leaving it as it slows vehicles down so I'm not really prepared to contribute, I did the last couple of times it's been done up.
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Luckily our has been adopted but so many patches……
 
Lenny HB said:
Just plain stupidity they had the materials with them would have taken ½ hour now ua tax payers will have to pay for another ½ day plus transport costs to fix the other hole, so probably 10 times the cost of fixing it at the same time.
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Plus no doubt a new Environmental inspection to determine if there's any crested newts or noxious gas, a Risk assessment to detect whether there were any underground water/sewer/gas pipes, electricity cables, overhead power lines or a WW2 UXB and an Impact assessment on the potential disturbance to local traffic flow and access for the residents to their homes when the road would be closed for two days..
If you think I jest, the same happened outside my house. I spoke to the two guys sat in a van for more than half a day - one entering the info onto a laptop and the other the same info with forms on a clip board and biro. They were petty fed up with it.
 
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Not sure what the OP is posting about, signs clearly state its a temporary road surface. I think they get a surface down to get lanes open then before they complete they give it a final coating.

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Gaston aires said:
I use the A12 frequently to visit my aging dad. It simply does my head in. Why don’t you use another route I hear you ask ? I do, and they are even worse.
Phil inthepotholes
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Friday afternoon trying to get home in Leavenheath from my office in Thurrock with all the hooray henries on their braying receding chinned way up to Southwold for the weekend with the crotch goblins and the Thai Nanny
 
meanders said:
The real issue for all these sorts of problems, whether, roads, parks, swimming pools, etc. etc is in one word...... outsourcing. The contract is often written so that any sort of 'extra' is charged at ridiculous rates.

On the pot hole issue, around here, most start where utilities have previously dug up the road (often within weeks of being resurfaced!). Personally when they make good, I think there should be at least two years where they have to come back and do it again, and again until it does last! Ultimately it would hit them so hard in the pocket they would start doing the job properly first time. It has to be cheaper for councils to directly employ teams and manage them properly.
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It's the £3000, £6000, 9000 rule often adopted by some councils to get civil works done.
 
I wonder if it is the increasing weight of some vehicles, ie HGV weight and EVs which is contributing to the more rapid deterioration of our roads ?

If so a short, sharp increase to road fund licences to those vehicles might be in order ?
 
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Sandancers said:
I wonder if it is the increasing weight of some vehicles, ie HGV weight and EVs which is contributing to the more rapid deterioration of our roads ?

If so a short, sharp increase to road fund licences to those vehicles might be in order ?
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Not sure what good that would do. RFL is just another tax for the pot. Might help if it was ringfenced.
 
Sandancers said:
I wonder if it is the increasing weight of some vehicles, ie HGV weight and EVs which is contributing to the more rapid deterioration of our roads ?

If so a short, sharp increase to road fund licences to those vehicles might be in order ?
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That made me chuckle and then cry, think there is enough money raised to fill the potholes......

VED raised £7.4 billion in 2022/23. The Office for Budget Responsibility estimates that this figure will increase to £9.4 billion by 2027/28.
 
MichaelT said:
Not sure what the OP is posting about, signs clearly state its a temporary road surface. I think they get a surface down to get lanes open then before they complete they give it a final coating.
MichaelT said:
Not sure what the OP is posting about, signs clearly state its a temporary road surface. I think they get a surface down to get lanes open then before they complete they give it a final coating.
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The stretch i refer to they removed the concrete road digging down over 1 m to lay several layers of hogging material then dry concrete mix and several layers of Tarmac. So there going to lay a finish coat over one or two layers of new tarmac thats already breaking up. Thats bright
 
PeterCarole29 said:
The stretch i refer to they removed the concrete road digging down over 1 m to lay several layers of hogging material then dry concrete mix and several layers of Tarmac. So there going to lay a finish coat over one or two layers of new tarmac thats already breaking up. Thats bright
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Maybe maybe not but the same thing is stated on the A14 up near Elmswell. Maybe it speeds things up or gets lanes open quicker,
 
In October 2022 a very nice BMW was left opposite our house. A year later we contacted the police (for the second time) to ask if it was road legal. It had not been re-taxed so was not. About a month later (November 2023) a “do not remove” notice was stuck to the windscreen and the car was clamped. Last week (March 2024) a lorry removed it. In the process the lorry put down a rectangular stabilising rig and, whilst lifting, dug a neat rectangle out of the road surface. We now have three lines of broken road which will rapidly grow. I think a) the road surface must be wafer thin, and b) surely the removal contractors are instructed to protect the road surface when lifting vehicles. We have a photograph of the rig in place so could inform the Council, but have no faith they would take any action.

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Wh05apk said:
Don't know what the fuss is about, it's only 6 months and £11m over budget, to redo 3 miles of road!
Previously there was a year or so of roadworks to do the barriers, once it's done they will close it off again to widen it to 3 lanes from Hatfield Peverel to marks Tey! What couldn't they have coordinate it all and do it as once surely would have saved millions, and months of congestion?
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They never ever learn..M1 originally two lanes on first sections.. M5 two lanes..M1 M6 A14 intersection set of lights and a roundabout..Rebuilt years later..M11 terminating at Cambridge..should have gone up to Humber Bridge and on to Thirsk..Scrooge must rule Dept of Transport. BUSBY
 
Sandancers said:
I wonder if it is the increasing weight of some vehicles, ie HGV weight and EVs which is contributing to the more rapid deterioration of our roads ?

If so a short, sharp increase to road fund licences to those vehicles might be in order ?
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It’s not, it’s poor workmanship and mismanagement , NL has the second highest quality roads ( after Singapore ) in the world and has busier roads then the UK, and standard lorries gvw is 50T instead of 44T, and there is not a pothole to be seen🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Dutch 68 said:
It’s not, it’s poor workmanship and mismanagement , NL has the second highest quality roads ( after Singapore ) in the world and has busier roads then the UK, and standard lorries gvw is 50T instead of 44T, and there is not a pothole to be seen🤷🏻‍♂️
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And as a direct comparison, I have always found Belgian roads to be awful.

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