A question re : when refillable cylinders reach their expiry date

Speve · 2025-01-25T12:22:47+0000

Perhaps Basildog may have a solution to answer this?
My cylinders are at their expiry date of ten years this year does anyone have any info regarding exchanging them or perhaps having them recertified?
Mine are twin Gasit 11kg I’ve have learned that Autogas 2000 now own Gasit but an able to get any info on my question.
Thanks in anticipation for any answers and reading my post

Speve · 2025-01-25T12:59:44+0000

Sorry Basildog I have now realised that you are Autogas 2000 and can answer my question as I have read an earlier thread with the same type of discussion.
So no further answers required thanks

jumar · 2025-01-25T14:03:59+0000

Just one thing...my Gaslow cylinders have printed on them Warranty 15 years (Now I know that's changed to 10) but nothing to say you cannot continue to use them after this period, just that they are out of warranty...our new toaster has a warranty of 2 years....nothing to say I have to bin it and buy another?

Stoosal · 2025-01-25T16:27:11+0000

One of the issues is the code of practice used essentially means that no one should fill the cylinders once they reach the date on the cylinder.

LostInSpace · 2025-01-25T16:41:22+0000

My older design Safefill cylinder is getting near to its 10 years, but I am reluctant to replace it as the newer one which I have is almost impossible to see the level of the LPG liquid. (The old one is dead easy to see the level)

Does anyone know if the latest Safefill cylinders are any easier to see the liquid level?

Minxy · 2025-01-25T17:16:03+0000

jumar said:
Just one thing...my Gaslow cylinders have printed on them Warranty 15 years (Now I know that's changed to 10) but nothing to say you cannot continue to use them after this period, just that they are out of warranty...our new toaster has a warranty of 2 years....nothing to say I have to bin it and buy another?

The thing is that with a toaster if it is faulty the mains circuit breaker will protect you, you don't have that 'independent' protection with a cylinder if it's valves become iffy as it gets older.

oldiesontour · 2025-01-25T19:00:28+0000

If you don't want to keep them,their greatest value is to offer them on eBay(with an honest listing) Plenty of people not too concerned about the date if the price is right

PlacidoD · 2025-01-25T19:41:22+0000

LostInSpace said:
My older design Safefill cylinder is getting near to its 10 years, but I am reluctant to replace it as the newer one which I have is almost impossible to see the level of the LPG liquid. (The old one is dead easy to see the level)

Does anyone know if the latest Safefill cylinders are any easier to see the liquid level?

I don't find it easy to see the level on either of mine. One is 9 months old. The other, bought used off Ebay, is about 4 years old.

On the question of use past 10 years I am a long way off that but I take the view that the cylinder will not suddenly become unusable on Day 1 past 10 years. I think what I might do is fill the older cylinder to say 80% capacity only and essentially use it as the spare when the newer one runs out.

P.S. I read somewhere that cost of retesting/certifying at 10 years is prohibitive and so essentially not available. What do people with underslung tanks do? Do they have to replace them after 10 years?

tonka · 2025-01-25T19:46:03+0000

LostInSpace said:
Does anyone know if the latest Safefill cylinders are any easier to see the liquid level?

NO... Every time they change they just get harder to view inside.. I use the torch method but like you say on older bottles you can usually get by with just daylight.

Lenny HB · 2025-01-25T19:59:48+0000

Alugas are the only cylinders you can exchange we did ours last year, had to go to Germany but only just over ½ the price of new ones.

Lenny HB · 2025-01-25T20:02:14+0000

jumar said:
Just one thing...my Gaslow cylinders have printed on them Warranty 15 years (Now I know that's changed to 10) but nothing to say you cannot continue to use them after this period, just that they are out of warranty...our new toaster has a warranty of 2 years....nothing to say I have to bin it and buy another?

They miss interpreted the rules they should still be changed at 10 years. Be it on your own head if you continue to use them, it is not advised. Also hoses and regulator should be changed at 10 years.

Minxy · 2025-01-25T20:04:04+0000

Lenny HB said:
They miss interpreted the rules they should still be changed at 10 years. Be it on your own head if you continue to use them, it is not advised. Also hoses and regulator should be changed at 10 years.

Depends on the hose type, we have the S/S ones with 20 year lifespan.

Lenny HB · 2025-01-25T20:07:25+0000

Minxy said:
Depends on the hose type, we have the S/S ones with 20 year lifespan.

Don't believe what they tell you, the rubber filler hoses are far safer, they have an inner hose and the outer has minute holes in it so if a hose ruptures the gas will dissipate slowly. With the SS ones if they rupture you get a bit boom.

Minxy · 2025-01-25T20:09:41+0000

Lenny HB said:
Don't believe what they tell you, the rubber filler hoses are far safer, they have an inner hose and the outer has minute holes in it so if a hose ruptures the gas will dissipate slowly. With the SS ones if they rupture you get a bit boom.

Why would it rupture though?

Lenny HB · 2025-01-25T20:11:06+0000

Minxy said:
Why would it rupture though?

Age and filling pressure can be up to around 200psi.

Minxy · 2025-01-25T20:16:01+0000

Lenny HB said:
Age and filling pressure can be up to around 200psi.

Well if you hear a big boom from the south we've been flambéd!

Basildog · 2025-01-25T21:49:44+0000

PlacidoD said:
I don't find it easy to see the level on either of mine. One is 9 months old. The other, bought used off Ebay, is about 4 years old.

On the question of use past 10 years I am a long way off that but I take the view that the cylinder will not suddenly become unusable on Day 1 past 10 years. I think what I might do is fill the older cylinder to say 80% capacity only and essentially use it as the spare when the newer one runs out.

P.S. I read somewhere that cost of retesting/certifying at 10 years is prohibitive and so essentially not available. What do people with underslung tanks do? Do they have to replace them after 10 years?

Currently there is nowhere in the UK that offers the recertification of LPG cylinders or tanks unless you have thousands of them .
The valves all need replacing at 10 years old .
Yes all refillable cylinders and tanks are effectively scrap at 10 years.

LithiumConvert · 2025-01-25T23:24:34+0000

Lenny HB said:
Age and filling pressure can be up to around 200psi.

ONe advantage of Safefill is that there are no hoses involved when filling.

Lenny HB · 2025-01-25T23:45:22+0000

LithiumConvert said:
ONe advantage of Safefill is that there are no hoses involved when filling.

Disadvantage is you can't fit an extnal filler & have a proper insrallation.

LithiumConvert · 2025-01-25T23:55:06+0000

My installation is as 'proper' as the way Hymer built it. I just use refillable cylinders.

jumar · 2025-01-26T07:06:30+0000

As written earlier on Fun...my very heavy Gaslow cylinders had to come out of our van.
I replaced them with an alternative solution...1 lightweight from Belgium and a standard K6 from Repsol....
I advertised my Gaslow here in Spain and attracted a fair amount of interest...someone will pick them up when we get back home...
Doing a bit of research on my home cylinders...I have one currently in use that's 16 years and one that's 23years old...both exchange units in the past 6 months from Spain's largest supplier of bottled gas...most likely had a much harder life than my two Gaslow....

Reallyretired · 2025-01-26T07:25:41+0000

I have a problem in that my two 11kg alugas are past their date, but are full. It's not the cost of the gas that is the problem but how could I dispose of full, or partly full cylinders. Running one down to empty and then replacing it is a possibility, however if one is refilled they both will be. Running both out is not an attractive proposition while touring.

jumar · 2025-01-26T07:40:56+0000

Reallyretired said:
I have a problem in that my two 11kg alugas are past their date, but are full. It's not the cost of the gas that is the problem but how could I dispose of full, or partly full cylinders. Running one down to empty and then replacing it is a possibility, however if one is refilled they both will be. Running both out is not an attractive proposition while touring.

One of mine is full the other empty...the guy who is willing to take them off my hands is gifted a bonus......he can do as he wants with them... he's not bothered about dates etc...

Lenny HB · 2025-01-26T07:51:03+0000

Reallyretired said:
I have a problem in that my two 11kg alugas are past their date, but are full. It's not the cost of the gas that is the problem but how could I dispose of full, or partly full cylinders. Running one down to empty and then replacing it is a possibility, however if one is refilled they both will be. Running both out is not an attractive proposition while touring.

As they are Alugas why not have a holiday in Germany and exchange them, that's what I did.

Gellyneck · 2025-01-26T10:07:07+0000

LostInSpace said:
My older design Safefill cylinder is getting near to its 10 years, but I am reluctant to replace it as the newer one which I have is almost impossible to see the level of the LPG liquid. (The old one is dead easy to see the level)

Does anyone know if the latest Safefill cylinders are any easier to see the liquid level?

tonka said:
NO... Every time they change they just get harder to view inside.. I use the torch method but like you say on older bottles you can usually get by with just daylight.

We've got two different styles in our gas locker.

The one with round holes (c1" dia) and the one with much larger "tear drop slots". The latter is a newer version (think it's current).

Flairy · 2025-01-26T10:15:35+0000

I’m about to do the same in Germany

BusyBuilder · 2025-01-26T10:47:03+0000

Where in Germany do you go ? and whats the cost ?

From what I've seen 2 of these are about £1000 here ?

Flairy · 2025-01-26T11:10:36+0000

I’m waiting for the e mail will let you know

Reallyretired · 2025-01-26T11:11:17+0000

Lenny HB said:
As they are Alugas why not have a holiday in Germany and exchange them, that's what I did.

Surely they won't exchange full one though.
I was thinking of changing to gasit as they are much cheaper, heavier but after using refillable for some years I don't really need to have such a large capacity.

Lenny HB · 2025-01-26T11:15:53+0000

BusyBuilder said:
Where in Germany do you go ? and whats the cost ?

From what I've seen 2 of these are about £1000 here ?

Cost me €461.50 including €21.50 for fitting for two cylinders, same price for 11kg & 14kg, so less than £400, ours are 14kg.

Alugas not longer do it themselves you have to go to a little company just down the road.

Die Gasfachfrau GmbH

Andrea Wolf
Rosengartenstr. 9
55569 Monzingen

Telefon: 067518578041
info@gasfachfrau.de

Free Stellapltz within 50 yds (parking behind village hall), nice bar & the food not bad at the top of the village.

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