90 day rule, schengen rules, visas. Jees

[EuroTrotters]

On another post you said you had a fair bit if money put by. If you buy a property in Spain for more than 500,000€ you are entitled to a golden visa and can come and go as you please.

Annoying that they could not apply that rule to Pre-Brexit Purchasers !

I could buy an apartment to add to the property we have to get that. Just don't see whey we should have to.

 

[eddie]

Any Brit leaving Spain is a net loss, it is well known throughout Spain that Brits spend twice as much as any other European, they eat out more, the fill more bars, spend many hours buying tat in out door markets, take more trips, the locals and Europeans cook and eat at home, buy cheap beer, do very little during the week. Barter for much cheaper rates. So if I sell my house and say it’s bought by a Dutch, they are going to spend 1/2 as much year in year out than I do.
Then if I do sell I’m going to move my money back into Sterling out of the EU, so the EU loses my sterling investment.

You’ll probably bring the Spanish economy down then.

Just a point, the EU have changed nothing, the UK (Sterling) pulled us out, so the UK benefits

 

[EuroTrotters]

Probably booked using UK travel agencies, using UK airports, UK taxis/car parks generally spending in the UK

Gone up since the Brits left? So not missing us that much

How is it a loss for Spain? Someone comes along and pays €360k for a second home, and Spain gets rid of someone who doesn’t want to pay residency tax, but wants to
be, to all intents a resident!

More like a win for Spain

We spent three weeks in Lanzarote in January, had April in France, chartered a boat for a Month in St Tropez in May, then Spain for two weeks in June. Back down to Spain in the Winnebago for three weeks in August, and came back from three weeks in Tenerife four days ago. So hard to complain.

I have no real issue with the rules, but I equally accept I can’t go willy nilly to Australia America New Zealand or Mexico and bleat “it’s not fair I should be allowed to stay here as I like it”

Anyway, once the political experiment fails, it will all change again as Europe politically veers to the right, ironically caused by unfettered immigration as seen by the re-introduction of borders and passport controls

veering right!

Geert Wilders: Who is he and what does he want?

He secured election victory by toning down his language to appeal to moderate voters - and shake off the "far-right" label he rejects.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jumar]

What do you mean “con my way into having a French Visa and tootle off to Spain”

Who do you know who’s done that?

We are on many forums related to motorhomes and non motorhome communities......
It's quite well known that this is used as the Gateway to Schengen.....which is not its intentions...

I think you might need to read the official French governments guidelines Judith before spouting off that people are conning there way into anything

This is taken off the the French government’s website

“During its period of validity, the long-stay visa is equivalent to a Schengen visa, enabling you to move around and stay in the Schengen Area outside France for periods not exceeding 90 days over any period of 180 consecutive days, under the same conditions as if you held a Schengen visa.”

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Actually it's Martin jumar not Judith jumartoo

 

[gus-lopez]

I think you might need to read the official French governments guidelines Judith before spouting off that people are conning there way into anything

This is taken off the the French government’s website

“During its period of validity, the long-stay visa is equivalent to a Schengen visa, enabling you to move around and stay in the Schengen Area outside France for periods not exceeding 90 days over any period of 180 consecutive days, under the same conditions as if you held a Schengen visa.”

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The idea of a 'French visa' is to allow you to stay in France not use it to move straight in to Spain then add on another " up to 90 days in another schengen state" Although legal it isn't morally right.

If we were still in the EU we would not have the 90 day rule.

We would, it has always been in force it is that when the Uk was in the club no one enforced it as you could not be thrown out.Now the UK isn't in the club you can be thrown out.

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[Al n Val]

So a lovely dutch couple pulled in next door to us about an hour ago, it took him all of 5 mins to congratulate us for leaving the EU saying “we can’t wait to get away”

He went on to slate the dutch government who he said, and i’ll quote

“they are driving the dutch people away”

“Spain is where the good life is and is much more affordable to us”

He hates the French and not keen on Germans but loves the english

He’ll do for me for a few days

 

[Al n Val]

We are on many forums related to motorhomes and non motorhome communities......
It's quite well known that this is used as the Gateway to Schengen.....which is not its intentions...

Actually it's Martin jumar not Judith jumartoo

Sorry Martin

but it doesn’t alter the fact that you were wrong to accuse anyone of conning anything
You should get your facts straight before commenting imo especially when it’s a personal jibe

 

[nicholsong]

If a UK Citizen wants to spend several months in one EU/Schengen country and up to 90 days in others, and then as long as they want in UK there is a simple answer: become resident in the first country, where one can stay as long as one wants.

One does not necessarily become tax resident there. Advice needed.

I have been in this situation for years. All my income tax is paid in UK.

This solution would seem to suit what the OP wants to do.

It would also save all the discussion on these 3 pages.

 

[Littlewheels]

On another post you said you had a fair bit if money put by. If you buy a property in Spain for more than 500,000€ you are entitled to a golden visa and can come and go as you please.

But not if you already own a property of or above that value.

 

[EuroTrotters]

So a lovely dutch couple pulled in next door to us about an hour ago, it took him all of 5 mins to congratulate us for leaving the EU saying “we can’t wait to get away”

He went on to slate the dutch government who he said, and i’ll quote

“they are driving the dutch people away”

“Spain is where the good life is and is much more affordable to us”

He hates the French and not keen on Germans but loves the english

He’ll do for me for a few days

Again, when I speak with Dutch Nationals In Spain and other parts of Europe. Many are migrating away from The Netherlands and thats not just to get away from the winter weather.

In Javea where our Villa is. They are lots of Dutch people and many pop them are buying businesses there.

A couple I can think of are......

The Old, now Closed Javea Bowls Club
Mira Luna
El Campo
Attico
Bocadillos Holandeses
Restaurante casa Holandesa
Bon Patata Verse Frites

Lots I can't name and Plenty in Benidorm if you look around !

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[Blofeld]

He’d be one of the people who last week voted for Geert Wilders’ Freedom party, who has immediately pledged to cut immigration to the Netherlands. Noting the riots in Dublin the far right political parties everywhere are making a lot of impact.

I think it would be very unwise to get categorised as an illegal anywhere these days. The pressure on boarder police to enforce is substantial and increasing, and enforcement is an income stream.

 

[gus-lopez]

One does not necessarily become tax resident there. Advice needed.

I do believe though that the French insist on you declaring for tax as a prerequisite of obtaining a residency document?

 

[jumar]

Sorry Martin

but it doesn’t alter the fact that you were wrong to accuse anyone of conning anything
You should get your facts straight before commenting imo especially when it’s a personal jibe

Didn't name names.... didn't direct it at you, directed it at the ones who apply for a French Visa and name a Transit campsite as address in France, stay one night and jolly off to Spain....I suppose you regard that as being OK then..
I would like to see what happened if they decided to exit from Santander or Bilbao..after an extended over the 90 day period.. Afterall you say the French Visa is equal to a Schengen Visa..both Spain and France are in Schengen...so where's the problem? Willing to change it...or how about being taken ill in Spain after being there for 5 months and making an insurance claim....or ....

 

[Al n Val]

Didn't name names.... didn't direct it at you, directed it at the ones who apply for a French Visa and name a Transit campsite as address in France, stay one night and jolly off to Spain....I suppose you regard that as being OK then..
I would like to see what happened if they decided to exit from Santander or Bilbao..after an extended over the 90 day period.. Afterall you say the French Visa is equal to a Schengen Visa..both Spain and France are in Schengen...so where's the problem? Willing to change it...or how about being taken ill in Spain after being there for 5 months and making an insurance claim....or ....

You have to name a transit site or you don’t go

I’m not advocating what anyone else does, that’s they’re business not mine

You made a sweeping comment about people conning their way into getting a visa, that in my book includes everyone and i’m pretty sure that’s what you were inferring in your comment


if you want to see it your way that’s your choice but don’t tar everyone with the same brush

 

[Soycd]

We would, it has always been in force it is that when the Uk was in the club no one enforced it as you could not be thrown out.Now the UK isn't in the club you can be thrown out.

Now I'm seriously confused! Has the 90 day rule always been in place then?

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[jumartoo]

Now I'm seriously confused! Has the 90 day rule always been in place then?

There's always been a 90 day Spanish rule, and still is for EU citizens. It's just very rarely policed.

 

[jumartoo]

So a lovely dutch couple pulled in next door to us about an hour ago, it took him all of 5 mins to congratulate us for leaving the EU saying “we can’t wait to get away”

He went on to slate the dutch government who he said, and i’ll quote

“they are driving the dutch people away”

“Spain is where the good life is and is much more affordable to us”

He hates the French and not keen on Germans but loves the english

He’ll do for me for a few days

And our equally lovely Dutch neighbours are horrified about the election results.

 

[jumartoo]

I think you might need to read the official French governments guidelines Judith before spouting off that people are conning there way into anything

And I think you should name the correct person before making such a statement.

 

[Al n Val]

And I think you should name the correct person before making such a statement.

OK

I did say sorry but as you’re now getting petty i’m out

You know you were wrong in making such a derogatory sweeping comment but won’t admit it

hiding behind keyboards is crap, hiding behind names is worse

Goodbye

 

[jumar]

You have to name a transit site or you don’t go

I’m not advocating what anyone else does, that’s they’re business not mine

You made a sweeping comment about people conning their way into getting a visa, that in my book includes everyone and i’m pretty sure that’s what you were inferring in your comment


if you want to see it your way that’s your choice but don’t tar everyone with the same brush

I'm not, I'm just saying it happens, you are the one that wrongly accused Judith as the person posting .....you offer her an apology... I'm willing to stick to my opinion on the matter....it's a forum Afterall...'

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[Al n Val]

I'm not, I'm just saying it happens, you are the one that wrongly accused Judith as the person posting .....you offer her an apology... I'm willing to stick to my opinion on the matter....it's a forum Afterall...'

I did say sorry didn’t I

and my opinion is you are wrong, i’ve pointed that out to you but you refuse to accept it

Judith my apologies

 

[our poppy llll]

RIGHT, OK, THE VERY FIRST COMMENT WAS MADE BY ME, I AM RIGHT NOW WITHDRAWING THE COMMENT SO NOW IT NO LONGER EXISTS. OK…
SO EVERYONE HAS TO IGNOR THE SUBJECT, THIS MEANS YOU ALL HAVE TO BE REALLY NICE TO EACH OTHER.
LETS START WITH ME..
WHOOO HOOO ISNT THE BLUE SKY LOVELY, WOW AINT EVERY ONE ON THIS SITE SUPER GOOD LOOKING, WOW. ISNT LIFE GREAT.
WHOOO HOOOO ITS BEEN SO NICE SEEING YOUR HANDLES, YOU ARE ALL WONDERFUL PEOPLE..

YOUR TURN….

 

[jumar]

Ahora Siesta...hasta luego mis amigos....

 

[nicholsong]

There's always been a 90 day Spanish rule, and still is for EU citizens. It's just very rarely policed.

There are two 90 day rules.

There is the 90/180 days rule for non-Schengen/EU visitors, after which they have overstayed and can be fined/extradited/refused re-entry.

There is also a rule for EU citizens/residents entering other EU countries that after 90 days they should register in that country, which indeed seems to be ignored. In their case they are legal to stay, with no penalty, except one for not registering if caught.

I assume that the latter rule is the one to which jumartoo is referring.

 

[TobyQuest]

They are largely shooting themselves in the foot. Its costing a lot of economies, particularly the Portuguese and Spanish tourism economies a huge amount in lost revenues. Now they are seeing the perils of EU membership because they are not self-governing nations and are tied to a 1 rule must fit all approach and are stuck with a bad rule even though it doesnt suit them.
I anticipate the EU will make concessions for Brits eventually because they will be under a lot of pressure from these countries, if another country left the EU it could very well lead to the collapse of the bloc

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[Littlewheels]

Prior to Brexit l am pretty sure it was 6months allowed in Spain.

 

[jumartoo]

Prior to Brexit l am pretty sure it was 6months allowed in Spain.

And it still is.

Prior to Brexit it was 90 days then register with the National Police or leave for 2 days then return. 183 days onwards you became a Spanish taxpayer.

Now you can have 180 days, just not in one go.

 

[Dutch 68]

Again, when I speak with Dutch Nationals In Spain and other parts of Europe. Many are migrating away from The Netherlands and thats not just to get away from the winter weather.

In Javea where our Villa is. They are lots of Dutch people and many pop them are buying businesses there.

A couple I can think of are......

The Old, now Closed Javea Bowls Club
Mira Luna
El Campo
Attico
Bocadillos Holandeses
Restaurante casa Holandesa
Bon Patata Verse Frites

Lots I can't name and Plenty in Benidorm if you look around !

Dutch people have a very good life in the Netherlands but suffer with exactly the same issues as most other western European countries, but there is a big but, on top of those issues is the important matter of space , the Netherlands is very cramped and that only becomes worse, the Dutch have a very high cost of living, way higher as the UK, healthcare is slightly better ( not as good as Belgium ) as the UK but very expensive, car owner ship is also easily double the UK cost , on the other hand the average wage is a lot higher as what we see here, the standard working week is only 38 hours, lots work 32, when coming to ( early ) retirement the Dutch move around the globe, they can afford it and like to travel anyway.
Political situation has been unsatisfactory for many years, with a big change coming up yet again, just like here immigration is always in the news, biggest pet hate for the Dutch is the enormous amount of immigrants from Turkey and Morocco who cause more trouble then all other 70 odd immigrant nationalities together

 

[our poppy llll]

My pretty flamingo and I were having an argument, she was losing the argument, so she stuck her fingers in her ears and said “La La La La La La La La La La La La” very loud for about 2 mins.
I lost the argument I couldn’t stop laughing..

 

[Molly A]

The reality is that we were in the 'club' meaning you could stay as long as you like, but as a nation we voted to leave in a democratic referendum. If you leave any organisation, you can't still expect to reap the benefits. Whether or not you voted, or whichever way you voted if you did vote, is of no consequence. The country voted by a small majority to come out so Schengen rules now apply to all our citizens.

The impact does seem to have hit Funsters particularly, but then our very being is to travel. However, pre the vote several Funsters were very vocal at rallies etc that the right thing to do was to leave. Some of those same Funsters are those now vocalising their dissent at the new rules.

Well said.

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