220v socket question

[andyelbac]

I know I am going to appear particularly thick with this question but electrics just leave me with a bruised mind! We have a 22 plate MH on a Ducato chassis. On the dashboard to the lower left of the central screen are two cigarette lighter type sockets, side by side. The left one is marked 12v and the right hand one, according to the FIAT manual, is 220v. Does this mean the RH one is only powered when on EHU? Generally, what sort of appliance would run off a cigarette lighter style plug (is there a more modern name for these) which is not 12v?

 

[Diabalo]

I don't think that can be correct as I have 2 the same and both are 12v and I think one can handle slightly higher amperage.

 

[scotjimland]

mine is a 2003 Duacto .. so may be different..

.. both 12v .. one on left is for a cigarette lighter, the other I have a USB adapter to charge phone and tablet.. items 18 and 13 on the image

 

[L' Hobo]

I know I am going to appear particularly thick with this question but electrics just leave me with a bruised mind! We have a 22 plate MH on a Ducato chassis. On the dashboard to the lower left of the central screen are two cigarette lighter type sockets, side by side. The left one is marked 12v and the right hand one, according to the FIAT manual, is 220v. Does this mean the RH one is only powered when on EHU? Generally, what sort of appliance would run off a cigarette lighter style plug (is there a more modern name for these) which is not 12v?

I may be wrong BUT I have never known a 220v cigar socket in 50yrs of campervanning?

Treat with EXTREME caution, read manual again and seek professional help.

 

[Lenny HB]

Are you sure it doesn't say 220w which is 220 watts, will be 18 amps at 12v.

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[scotjimland]

it says on my handbook about 'current sockets' ...

Do not use current sockets for accessories with power over 180 W (max. intake 15 A).

 

[Northernraider]

Post a photo of the sockets

 

[autorouter]

There are a number of reasons why this second cigarette-lighter socket would never be 220V. Probably the manual is wrong, or you are reading the '220W' as '220V' as Lenny HB has said.

220V sockets need to be 'touchproof', so little fingers can't stray into them. Cigarette-lighter sockets are not touch-proof, but touching 12V will not give anyone a shock. If it was wired with 220V that would be virtually criminal negligence for a manufacturer who should know all the regulations. Also the front dashboard is rarely wired with 220V, and mains sockets are usually positioned elsewhere, in the motorhome habitation section rather than the vehicle cab section.

Anyone with a multimeter could easily measure the actual voltage and tell you for sure whether it's 12V or 220V, if you need further reassurance.

 

[FrankNicklin]

Think you will find it is 12V 180W maximum load.

https://aftersales.fiat.com/elumdata/en/77/250_ducato/77_250_ducato_603.99.321_en_01_05.13_l_e5/77_250_ducato_603.99.321_en_01_05.13_l_e5.pdf

 

[andyelbac]

Thanks all I will go away and check tbe manual. It sounds very much like I have misread it.

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[PP Bear]

Thanks all I will go away and check tbe manual. It sounds very much like I have misread it.

Pop ya speccies on and have another lookieseesee

 

[andyelbac]

Yep. Looking at the wrong diagram. The manual does refer to a 220 power socket (depending on model and region) but I was looking at the wrong diagram it was referring to. Doh!

 

[Tigger-Tim]

A few cars do have 220v outlet sockets.

Usually rated at 200W or so - so enough to power a laptop. The most extreme I've seen is the Kia EV6, which can output 3.6KW !!! https://www.kiapartsuk.com/kia-ev6-connector-vehicle-to-load-5772-p.asp

I've not seen one on a fiat van, but I could see it being an option for people who have to be on the road - water, gas, BT etc techs.

 

[scotjimland]

A few cars do have 220v outlet sockets.

Usually rated at 200W or so - so enough to power a laptop. The most extreme I've seen is the Kia EV6, which can output 3.6KW !!! https://www.kiapartsuk.com/kia-ev6-connector-vehicle-to-load-5772-p.asp

I've not seen one on a fiat van, but I could see it being an option for people who have to be on the road - water, gas, BT etc techs.

yes, 200w using an inverter no problem on any car or van .. they have them fitted on police cars, breakdown vehicles, ambulances etc .. but as more tech is now USB C charged, I'm guessing there is little need of 240v now

3.6kw from a Kia EV6 .. It's an EV with a big battery bank ..

 

[Tigger-Tim]

yes, 200w using an inverter no problem on any car or van .. they have them fitted on police cars, breakdown vehicles, ambulances etc .. but as more tech is now USB C charged, I'm guessing there is little need of 240v now

3.6kw from a Kia EV6 .. It's an EV with a big battery bank ..

More like a big battery bank, with an EV attached!

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[tonyidle]

More like a big battery bank, with an EV attached!

Not even large by EV standards.

 

[royandsharont]

andyelbac My July 22 Ducato has 2 sockets both with flip up covers on them. One is the 12v old style cigarette lighter socket for such as sat nav plug. The other is usb b & c sockets in the one plug.

BUT I recall when I was researching the new updates for the 2021 anniversary launch of this van the blurb did mention putting in a 220V socket so that the delivery drivers could connect such as laptops for charging etc. So perhaps you do have a 220V socket there?

 

[L' Hobo]

andyelbac My July 22 Ducato has 2 sockets both with flip up covers on them. One is the 12v old style cigarette lighter socket for such as sat nav plug. The other is usb b & c sockets in the one plug.

BUT I recall when I was researching the new updates for the 2021 anniversary launch of this van the blurb did mention putting in a 220V socket so that the delivery drivers could connect such as laptops for charging etc. So perhaps you do have a 220V socket there?

I thought most laptops were 12v and could be charge from USB?

 

[Tigger-Tim]

I thought most laptops were 12v and could be charge from USB?

Many now charge from USB C (a range of voltages up to 20v).

Ones using old fashioned brick chargers use 19-20v.

 

[royandsharont]

I thought most laptops were 12v and could be charge from USB?

I’m only saying what I recall Fiat had written

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[Figaro]

I thought most laptops were 12v and could be charge from USB?

I think most are 19 volts
I bought an adapter for mine 12v to 19v but don't need it now as I use a Chromebook which connects to a USB socket

 

[royandsharont]

I’ve found it referred to in the full user manual I downloaded for my 2022 van, do it foes exist in some variants. I knew I had read about it in the reviews but I cannot find that now.

 

[andyelbac]

andyelbac My July 22 Ducato has 2 sockets both with flip up covers on them. One is the 12v old style cigarette lighter socket for such as sat nav plug. The other is usb b & c sockets in the one plug.

BUT I recall when I was researching the new updates for the 2021 anniversary launch of this van the blurb did mention putting in a 220V socket so that the delivery drivers could connect such as laptops for charging etc. So perhaps you do have a 220V socket there?

Thanks. Yes, same as mine and no, I don't have the 220v socket that is shown in one of the diagrams as an option. I was clearly reading without my contacts in again!