180 days in Europe

[Chocy boy]

If I did 90 days from 1 January what date would I be allowed to renter the EC again.
Would it be 90 or 180 days later.
Thanks.

 

[orridge]

It is a rolling 90 day period so you need to count back 180 days and make sure you are staying 90 days or less.

 

[Razamataz]

90

 

[Itsmcb]

If I did 90 days from 1 January what date would I be allowed to renter the EC again.
Would it be 90 or 180 days later.
Thanks.

If you entered Europe on Jan 1st and stayed 90 days you would leave end of March (approximately). Therefore you could enter again on the 1st of July ( again approximately as I can't be bothered to look up how many days in each month)

 

[Oscar]

Enter Schengen on 1st January (31 days), all February (28 days), all March to 31st March 2022 = 90 days, so you need to be out of Schengen for 90 days, so 30 days April, 31 days May, so you need another 29 days in June, so able to enter Schengen again from 30th June onwards

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[Itsmcb]

Enter Schengen on 1st January (31 days), all February (28 days), all March to 31st March 2022 = 90 days, so you need to be out of Schengen for 90 days, so 30 days April, 31 days May, so you need another 29 days in June, so able to enter Schengen again from 30th June onwards

What I said but more accurate

 

[The Wino]

If you're going to calculate it down to the last day others have said that any part of a day at either end when travelling counts as a fulll day

 

[Itsmcb]

If you're going to calculate it down to the last day others have said that any part of a day at either end when travelling counts as a fulll day

Yep the first day of entry counts as a day even if you arrive at 5mins to midnight. Exit is the same.

 

[POH]

Enter Schengen on 1st January (31 days), all February (28 days), all March to 31st March 2022 = 90 days, so you need to be out of Schengen for 90 days, so 30 days April, 31 days May, so you need another 29 days in June, so able to enter Schengen again from 30th June onwards

so in other words in for 90 out for 90 on a rolling basis or am i missing something.

 

[Diabalo]

If worried there are apps that calculate it all for you.

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[Ditcha]

I use this app John on my phone might help.

Check out "SchengenCalc 2"
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[Oscar]

so in other words in for 90 out for 90 on a rolling basis or am i missing something.

That's it

 

[Reusables]

I am a thick as shhh when it comes to this but this link explains it slightly

Confused About the EU’s 90/180 Day Rule? Here’s How it Works - FrenchEntrée

Brits, Americans, and many other non-EU citizens can only spend 90 days in the EU within any 180 day period - but how it’s calculated can be confusing. Here’s what you need to know.

www.frenchentree.com

 

[deleted79651]

I am a thick as shhh when it comes to this but this link explains it slightly

Confused About the EU’s 90/180 Day Rule? Here’s How it Works - FrenchEntrée

Brits, Americans, and many other non-EU citizens can only spend 90 days in the EU within any 180 day period - but how it’s calculated can be confusing. Here’s what you need to know.

www.frenchentree.com

There is a wee quirk in the Schengen Calculator [and this is taken from the EU Border Guard System]. If you do a 90 day stay straight off, you will have to stay out of the zone for 90 days; however, if you stay for say 46 days, [1st Oct to 15 Nov 21] and then plan to return to the Schengen Zone for a stay until 28th March 2022, a further 90 day stay will be approved, with the start of the 90 day period being 29th Dec 21 and the start of the 180 day period being 30 Sep 21; i.e. the early days of the September stay 'expire' 1 day at a time to cover the 'future stay' to 28th March 22. So, even with a 46 day previous stay as above, the System will permit a further 90 day stay, in effect giving 136 days during a 6 month period!

Try it and see! Select 'Planning' Option, enter 28th March 22 as the Control Date [Exit Date] and key in the previous stay as 1st Oct to 15 Nov 21, and then select 'Calculate'

Steve

 

[royandsharont]

There is a wee quirk in the Schengen Calculator [and this is taken from the EU Border Guard System]. If you do a 90 day stay straight off, you will have to stay out of the zone for 90 days; however, if you stay for say 46 days, [1st Oct to 15 Nov 21] and then plan to return to the Schengen Zone for a stay until 28th March 2022, a further 90 day stay will be approved, with the start of the 90 day period being 29th Dec 21 and the start of the 180 day period being 30 Sep 21; i.e. the early days of the September stay 'expire' 1 day at a time to cover the 'future stay' to 28th March 22. So, even with a 46 day previous stay as above, the System will permit a further 90 day stay, in effect giving 136 days during a 6 month period!

Try it and see! Select 'Planning' Option, enter 28th March 22 as the Control Date [Exit Date] and key in the previous stay as 1st Oct to 15 Nov 21, and then select 'Calculate'

Steve

That bit about 136 days in 180 cannot be correct at all as it is completely against the rules. If the calculator system you are referring to suggests you can do that then something is wrong with it.

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[EuroTrotters]

I use this app John on my phone might help.

Check out "SchengenCalc 2"
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not for apple sadly

 

[deleted79651]

That bit about 136 days in 180 cannot be correct at all as it is completely against the rules. If the calculator system you are referring to suggests you can do that then something is wrong with it.

I don't think it is, it seems to be the way that the 'looking backwards' in the 180 days criterion works, as days fall off from the earlier stay and become available for the later part of the second stay. I've just adjusted the mythical planned stay end date to 28th Feb 22 and it still approves a further 90 days stay; only if I change the end date to 28th Jan 21 does the Calculator lower the Approval to 44 days

Steve

 

[POH]

There is a wee quirk in the Schengen Calculator [and this is taken from the EU Border Guard System]. If you do a 90 day stay straight off, you will have to stay out of the zone for 90 days; however, if you stay for say 46 days, [1st Oct to 15 Nov 21] and then plan to return to the Schengen Zone for a stay until 28th March 2022, a further 90 day stay will be approved, with the start of the 90 day period being 29th Dec 21 and the start of the 180 day period being 30 Sep 21; i.e. the early days of the September stay 'expire' 1 day at a time to cover the 'future stay' to 28th March 22. So, even with a 46 day previous stay as above, the System will permit a further 90 day stay, in effect giving 136 days during a 6 month period!

Try it and see! Select 'Planning' Option, enter 28th March 22 as the Control Date [Exit Date] and key in the previous stay as 1st Oct to 15 Nov 21, and then select 'Calculate'

Steve

There is a wee quirk in the Schengen Calculator [and this is taken from the EU Border Guard System]. If you do a 90 day stay straight off, you will have to stay out of the zone for 90 days; however, if you stay for say 46 days, [1st Oct to 15 Nov 21] and then plan to return to the Schengen Zone for a stay until 28th March 2022, a further 90 day stay will be approved, with the start of the 90 day period being 29th Dec 21 and the start of the 180 day period being 30 Sep 21; i.e. the early days of the September stay 'expire' 1 day at a time to cover the 'future stay' to 28th March 22. So, even with a 46 day previous stay as above, the System will permit a further 90 day stay, in effect giving 136 days during a 6 month period!

Try it and see! Select 'Planning' Option, enter 28th March 22 as the Control Date [Exit Date] and key in the previous stay as 1st Oct to 15 Nov 21, and then select 'Calculate'

Steve

I don't think it is, it seems to be the way that the 'looking backwards' in the 180 days criterion works, as days fall off from the earlier stay and become available for the later part of the second stay. I've just adjusted the mythical planned stay end date to 28th Feb 22 and it still approves a further 90 days stay; only if I change the end date to 28th Jan 21 does the Calculator lower the Approval to 44 days

Steve

DOH my brain hurts Brian

 

[philann]

There is a wee quirk in the Schengen Calculator [and this is taken from the EU Border Guard System]. If you do a 90 day stay straight off, you will have to stay out of the zone for 90 days; however, if you stay for say 46 days, [1st Oct to 15 Nov 21] and then plan to return to the Schengen Zone for a stay until 28th March 2022, a further 90 day stay will be approved, with the start of the 90 day period being 29th Dec 21 and the start of the 180 day period being 30 Sep 21; i.e. the early days of the September stay 'expire' 1 day at a time to cover the 'future stay' to 28th March 22. So, even with a 46 day previous stay as above, the System will permit a further 90 day stay, in effect giving 136 days during a 6 month period!

Try it and see! Select 'Planning' Option, enter 28th March 22 as the Control Date [Exit Date] and key in the previous stay as 1st Oct to 15 Nov 21, and then select 'Calculate'

Steve

Where you are going wrong is that the control date is the entry date, not the exit date.

 

[Lucky]

I use this app John on my phone might help.

Check out "SchengenCalc 2"
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Having just downloaded thie aforementioned app, it seems unwilling to allow me to enter my past travel into the Schenden zone. It's calendar begins THIS month and I cannot get it to show earlier dates. So, I'm disappointed to report its useless for me.

The following app does allow you to enter your historic trips.

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[Coolcats]

Oh no i am useless at riddles:

Q What did the thief get for stealing the calendar?....... A) 12 Months