0W-30 v 5W-30

[Badboo]

Hello all,

We have been using 5W-30 motor oil in our MH which is on a Fiat Ducato 2.3L.
There were no directions in the handbook other than a recommendation to use Selénia motor oil but after a bi of research we went with 5W-30.

Someone else has recommended that we change to 0W-30.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[Lenny HB]

0-30w is used in the Euro 6 engine, if yours is Euro 5 or Euro 5+ I would stick with the 5-30w otherwise you will probably find yourself burning a lot of oil.
Fiat engines are very critical of having the correct grade of oil best to stick with what they recommend.
Particularly important if still under warranty as any engine problems they will analyze the oil and if not the correct type they will refuse any claims.

 

[Spriddler]

5W-30 is the recommended oil.
It's unlikely to get cold enough in Portugal to need 0W-30

This may help:

http://www.caarparts.co.uk/service-parts/Engine-Oils/Fiat/Ducato/all/2.3/2013/Parts.aspx

 

[Badboo]

0-30w is used in the Euro 6 engine, if yours is Euro 5 or Euro 5+ I would stick with the 5-30w otherwise you will probably find yourself burning a lot of oil.

Sorry but where do I find that information?

 

[Badboo]

It's unlikely to get cold enough in Portugal to need 0W-30

Thank you.
Under what conditions is 0W-30 better? I'm thinking of when we go North in Winter

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[Flatlander]

0-30w is used in the Euro 6 engine, if yours is Euro 5 or Euro 5+ I would stick with the 5-30w otherwise you will probably find yourself burning a lot of oil.
Fiat engines are very critical of having the correct grade of oil best to stick with what they recommend.
Particularly important if still under warranty as any engine problems they will analyze the oil and if not the correct type they will refuse any claims.

Mines a Euro 5+ and the recommended oil is Selenia WR 0W-30.

There was a fuss made a while ago regarding the correct oil for Fiat based campers. Exactly what it was I cant quite remember.

 

[Spriddler]

It seems there's some confusion over which oil for Euro 6........

http://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk.../OIL-Warning-for-Ducato-Euro-6-Engines/47017/

 

[Lenny HB]

Mines a Euro 5+ and the recommended oil is Selenia WR 0W-30.

There was a fuss made a while ago regarding the correct oil for Fiat based campers. Exactly what it was I cant quite remember.

My last van was a 2014 Euro 5+ that used 5-30w.

 

[Spriddler]

Thank you.
Under what conditions is 0W-30 better? I'm thinking of when we go North in Winter

In a 0W-30 the 0W bit (W = winter, not weight or watt) simply means that the oil must have a certain maximum viscosity/flow at low temperature. The lower the “W” number the better the oil's cold temperature/cold start performance.

EDIT:
It might depend what you mean by 'when we go North'. ......
Reykjavik, Moscow?

 

[tacr2man]

Most of the oil specs now are used as a means of complying with emissions test , rather than a mechanical requirement . going to anything lower than specced is totally unnecessary ,and even detrimental , In Australia there were problems with some of the engines putting oil light on at tickover , was fixed by going up a grade or two , with no adverse effect on longevity of engine.

The other thing is that the lower the viscosity the more important that oil change intervals are adhered to as heat breakdown of viscosity improvers and other additives is generally quicker over time .

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[Lenny HB]

Sorry but where do I find that information?

I have had both Euro 5+ & Euro 6 engines that what was speced in the handbooks.

 

[Flatlander]

My last van was a 2014 Euro 5+ that used 5-30w.

Mines a 2016. Could that be the difference?

Edit: The 0W-30 is both in the handbook, and quoted by the dealer. There was even a 1 litre can of it supplied on delivery.

 

[Lenny HB]

My 2017 Euro 6 is using about a litre in 7000 miles, the Euro 5+ was about a litre in 9000 miles.

 

[Lenny HB]

Mines a 2016. Could that be the difference?

Edit: The 0W-30 is both in the handbook, and quoted by the dealer. There was even a 1 litre can of it supplied on delivery.

Could be, had to top mine up recently I made sure I got the Selena 0-30 WF Forward.

 

[Deneb]

Later E5+ vans are also specified as 0W30. The change is in the maintenance information notified to dealers, but not always in the pre-printed handbooks depending on which print run ended up with the vehicle. However, there is very little likelihood of the change making any practical difference in use. The reason for the lower viscocity oil is to improve fuel consumption and emissions by some hundredths or thousandths of a per cent so that Fiat can claim extra brownie points within the EC dictated emissions limits for new vehicle production.

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[Gorse Hill]

I contacted fiat in Italy with my vin number and had an email confirming 5/30 on Euro 5+ just to make sure if anything went wrong

 

[Deneb]

I contacted fiat in Italy with my vin number and had an email confirming 5/30 on Euro 5+ just to make sure if anything went wrong

Since 0W30 and 5W30 both have the same viscocity specification at higher temperatures, neither is going to offer and additional protection over the other in ordinary use in a vehicle running at normal operating temperatures. 0W30 may show a slight improvement in fuel consumption and emissions during cold starts and whilst the engine is warming up, or in (very) cold climates.

Fiat specify 0W30 for Euro 6 vans, and have specified both 5W30 and 0W30 for E5+ vans. The handbook in my E5+ van, published in May 2015 specifies 0W30.

The exact same engines are used in some versions of the Iveco Daily. Iveco specify either 5W30 or 0W30 for all E5+ and E6 engines, but "recommend 0W30" "to gain fuel economy benefits" (their own words).

Incidentally, Fiat do not require anyone to use Selenia oil. They may "recommend" it in the vehicle handbook because they have a marketing agreement and commercial connection with the company. Their only requirement is that the oil used must be an ACEA C2 oil of 0W30 meeting or exceeding Fiat specification 9.55535-S1.

Most, if not all Fiat Pro dealers will not be using Selenia oil in their workshops either. They will use an equivalent oil meeting the required specification published by Fiat, which they can bulk buy for probably a quarter of the cost, although they will be only too happy to sell Selenia to their customers at inflated prices if asked and also mark up their alternative oil to similar prices on customer invoices for servicing replacement!

You can find the Fiat specification on several other manufacturers' oils. Shell Ultra Helix ECT is one. Titan and Fuchs are examples of others.

Iveco "recommend" Urania Daily oil is used in their vehicles - the very same engines remember; although again the only actual requirement is to use an ACEA C2 0W30 or 5W30 oil meeting or exceeding their own specification 18-1811.

In practical terms, as long as you use an oil which the manufacturer confirms meets the required Fiat specification, it really doesn't matter who made it, or whether it is 0W30 or 5W30. If subject to a warranty claim you will have proof that the oil meets the claimed specification. If Fiat want to test it, they may be able to ascertain its viscocity, but they certainly won't have any way of differentiating between different brands of oil, and even if they had, their own specification does not require the use of a specific brand, only that it meets the published specification.

 

[Gorse Hill]

Since 0W30 and 5W30 both have the same viscocity specification at higher temperatures, neither is going to offer and additional protection over the other in ordinary use in a vehicle running at normal operating temperatures. 0W30 may show a slight improvement in fuel consumption and emissions during cold starts and whilst the engine is warming up, or in (very) cold climates.

Fiat specify 0W30 for Euro 6 vans, and have specified both 5W30 and 0W30 for E5+ vans. The handbook in my E5+ van, published in May 2015 specifies 0W30.

The exact same engines are used in some versions of the Iveco Daily. Iveco specify either 5W30 or 0W30 for all E5+ and E6 engines, but "recommend 0W30" "to gain fuel economy benefits" (their own words).

Incidentally, Fiat do not require anyone to use Selenia oil. They may "recommend" it in the vehicle handbook because they have a marketing agreement and commercial connection with the company. Their only requirement is that the oil used must be an ACEA C2 oil of 0W30 meeting or exceeding Fiat specification 9.55535-S1.

Most, if not all Fiat Pro dealers will not be using Selenia oil in their workshops either. They will use an equivalent oil meeting the required specification published by Fiat, which they can bulk buy for probably a quarter of the cost, although they will be only too happy to sell Selenia to their customers at inflated prices if asked and also mark up their alternative oil to similar prices on customer invoices for servicing replacement!

You can find the Fiat specification on several other manufacturers' oils. Shell Ultra Helix ECT is one. Titan and Fuchs are examples of others.

Iveco "recommend" Urania Daily oil is used in their vehicles - the very same engines remember; although again the only actual requirement is to use an ACEA C2 0W30 or 5W30 oil meeting or exceeding their own specification 18-1811.

In practical terms, as long as you use an oil which the manufacturer confirms meets the required Fiat specification, it really doesn't matter who made it, or whether it is 0W30 or 5W30. If subject to a warranty claim you will have proof that the oil meets the claimed specification. If Fiat want to test it, they may be able to ascertain its viscocity, but they certainly won't have any way of differentiating between different brands of oil, and even if they had, their own specification does not require the use of a specific brand, only that it meets the published specification.

I agree having researched it myself when doing the oil change, I choose to get confirmation and use what’s recommended to ensure there’s no room for them to invalidate a warranty claim because of the oil used.

 

[Badboo]

Any thoughts on Castrol Magnatec Stop-Start 5W-30 C2?

 

[Deneb]

Any thoughts on Castrol Magnatec Stop-Start 5W-30 C2?

For what vehicle? The datasheet only quotes a PSA approval. If it meets the requirements for a Peugeot Boxer, that's fine.

It's quite likely fine for a Ducato too, but there's plenty of other oils that quote the required Fiat specification, so I'd rather go for one of them.

Shell Ultra Helix ECT meets Fiat 955535-S1 and can be obtained for a reasonable price from various places. I generally use Opie Oils.

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[42208]

Any thoughts on Castrol Magnatec Stop-Start 5W-30 C2?

I believe this is a straight replacement for Magnatec 5W-30 C2 to reflect todays busy roads and the continual stop start of moving around these days. Magnatec 5W-30 has been discontinued, however, still available on Amazon. The stop start product fully meets Fiats spec, I simply bought the discontinued product because it was still available, will buy stop start next time

 

[42208]

I believe this is a straight replacement for Magnatec 5W-30 C2 to reflect todays busy roads and the continual stop start of moving around these days. Magnatec 5W-30 has been discontinued, however, still available on Amazon. The stop start product fully meets Fiats spec, I simply bought the discontinued product because it was still available, will buy stop start next time

Should have added 2013 Fiat Ducato Euro 5

 

[Deneb]

Sorry, yes it meets the correct Fiat approval. The Castrol website served me the wrong datasheet!

 

[Bluemanc100]

Halfords have a half price sale on which includes engine oil with free home delivery.. Just thought I’d spread the word..

 

[OldCodger]

oops wrong thread