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The point is that research/action will only happen if councils are made aware of a potential demand. A number of councils I've spoken to simply hadn't heard of any such demand. If each of us could identify some potential site and make an outline case for it then we might see progress.


It will take research to identify a demand.
It seems the fact they are having to contain a demand in front of their noses by erecting height barriers , that little research is actually needed.
It seems that a parochial tunnel vision is the problem.

Bearing in mind the success of the Aires and Stellplatz in Europe whilst still allowing commercial and municipal sites to operate , it should not take a council wizard to identify the potential.
Perhaps though other interests are involved.
 
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It will take research to identify a demand.
It seems the fact they are having to contain a demand in front of their noses by erecting height barriers , that little research is actually needed.
It seems that a parochial tunnel vision is the problem.

Bearing in mind the success of the Aires and Stellplatz in Europe whilst still allowing commercial and municipal sites to operate , it should not take a council wizard to identify the potential.
Perhaps though other interests are involved
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Good point, and in the very recent past the ability to overnight at Dawlish Warren was stopped as a direct result of pressure on the council from large local 'campsites' which have no touring pitches. You couldn't make it up!
 
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Yes every where there are people parking motorhomes there are accusations of toilet dumping,we all have mobile phones with camaras nowadays but I don't know of anyone who has ever caught anybody in the act with a photo
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Well I never will because my phone does not have a camera!

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It will take research to identify a demand.
It seems the fact they are having to contain a demand in front of their noses by erecting height barriers , that little research is actually needed.
It seems that a parochial tunnel vision is the problem.

Bearing in mind the success of the Aires and Stellplatz in Europe whilst still allowing commercial and municipal sites to operate , it should not take a council wizard to identify the potential.
Perhaps though other interests are involved.
All too often the "demand" identified, and acted upon, by councils is for free (in many cases long term) camping in lay byes, car parks and anywhere else available, not for aires which could only be used for a couple of nights at a time and for which a charge would apply.

In any case, even if "tunnel vision" is involved, is that any reason for those motorhomers who want aires (i.e. people who have identified a potential) not to make the first move?

It is usually the case that if something is left for somebody else to do then it doesn't get done (for any number of reasons). So, what is stopping those who want aires? There are some ideas for how to start making a case Here and Here. I don't expect many to actually take up the challenge but it will be interesting to see the results from those who do.
 

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GHJ, maybe the people that should be fighting our corner are the Motorhome press, the big magaines, the Practical Motorhomes and the MMM's of this world.
If we then can agree a national set of rules then all MH owners can abide by the etiquette.
Abuse could then be reported by MH owners and self police the areas.
With social media and Clubs and Forums the persistant abusers could be weeded out
Name and Shame is only one lever.
 

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GHJ, maybe the people that should be fighting our corner are the Motorhome press, the big magaines, the Practical Motorhomes and the MMM's of this world.
If we then can agree a national set of rules then all MH owners can abide by the etiquette.
Abuse could then be reported by MH owners and self police the areas.
With social media and Clubs and Forums the persistant abusers could be weeded out
Name and Shame is only one lever.
Nice idea but impractical I'm afraid.
The magazines are there to make money not to campaign. They aren't interested in spending money on such matters (for instance I recently received a request from one to supply a database of motorhome parking locations to save them work - i.e. expense). They don't go out and gather data or contact organisations themselves, they rely on readers to do it for them but only a few readers out of the thousands of possibles do that.
In the 8 years that I have run my web site about 475 people have made contributions out of the hundreds of thousands who have used the site.
There have been one or two attempts to set up some sort of representative organisation but they have attracted only a few members and have achieved little.
That's why I don't expect many to actually take up the challenge of contacting councils but can't see any other practical way of making significant progress.

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GHJ, maybe the people that should be fighting our corner are the Motorhome press, the big magaines, the Practical Motorhomes and the MMM's of this world.
Admirable notion but with magazines dependent on advertising and the government only really taking the C&CC and CC and the National Caravan Council into consideration we are somewhat isolated because all three of those bodies are Caravan orientated and the 'Red Fire Bucket Brigade' seem to rule their thoughts. Thank goodness when we travel to the continent touring caravans have become a rarity, except for the poor Nederlanders who have extra tax to find to purchase motorhomes. It does lead to a very much better travelling experience and the provision of a Sani-Station at suitable stopover places solves the problems of toilet and waste water disposal.
On the subject of toilet waste dumping on most of the UK lay byes we stop at for a cuppa and leg stretch it is apparent from the soiled toilet tissues plainly on view, that Car/Van/lorry drivers use these places as toilets. I am sure the same will be true of seaside car parks where no public toilets are located.
 

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Perhaps we should direct councils to canterbury council whose park and ride aire is a fantastic success. always well attended and no rubbish thrown around. and only 3 pounds a night.(y)
 

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Perhaps we should direct councils to canterbury council whose park and ride aire is a fantastic success. always well attended and no rubbish thrown around. and only 3 pounds a night.(y)
Yes. I have used that example but bear in mind that it is a special location.

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We are on an Aire at Le Touquet at present, enough for 50 Motorhomes enhanced by its beach/village location.
At 13€ a night better than the 25+ € it would cost on a site.
Where have we done our shopping and where have we eaten, in Le Touquet.
Perhaps a bit of real research and positive action (not defensive)by local councils providing similar facilities in the UK might benefit all in the future.
This would perhaps spread the rewards from motorhome shoppers around a locality and not just in the pockets of commercial and club sites .


There are in fact hundreds if not thousands of sites scattered all over the country, that take motorhomes for a nominal fee of ÂŁ10 to ÂŁ12 a day.

They are called CL/CS sites and many take non members.

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Yes. I have used that example but bear in mind that it is a special location.


Park and Rides make ideal locations.. almost 'ready made.' aires.. with access for large vehicles and suitable roads.. the one near us also has toilets and I dare say fresh water .. installing a dump station would be relatively cheap as the sewage drains are already in place,.. but sadly has a height barrier to deter illegal camping by the travelers.
How has Canterbury manged this problem.. ?

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Park and Rides make ideal locations.. almost 'ready made.' aires.. with access for large vehicles and suitable roads.. the one near us also has toilets and I dare say fresh water .. installing a dump station would be relatively cheap as the sewage drains are already in place,.. but sadly has a height barrier to deter illegal camping by the travelers.
How has Canterbury manged this problem.. ?
 

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Perhaps we are over sensitive but I cannot get my head around overnighting where you are not welcome, it is not as if there is a shortage of nice spots to stay where we are welcome----not free I admit
 

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That's not what Mr Paul Marriott, a businessman from Spalding said,
he said we are not just tinkers, vagabonds – we are genuine people.:LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO:

NO mention of tinkers or vagabonds, this is about folk who don't want to pay but want the facility for a free holiday at the expense of others.

Perhaps we should direct councils to canterbury council whose park and ride aire is a fantastic success. always well attended and no rubbish thrown around. and only 3 pounds a night.(y)

Pay on entry is the trick, but here we are dealing with people who don't want to pay.
Freeloaders, in other words.
Canterbury's customers are generally transient, en route to / from Dover, so overstaying (or "taking the piss") isn't a problem.

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Park and Rides make ideal locations.. almost 'ready made.' aires.. with access for large vehicles and suitable roads.. the one near us also has toilets and I dare say fresh water .. installing a dump station would be relatively cheap as the sewage drains are already in place,.. but sadly has a height barrier to deter illegal camping by the travelers.
How has Canterbury manged this problem.. ?
As John said, pay on entry. Plus Canterbury has its location advantage.
 

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Going back to the OP's post, we went by car to Chapel St Leonards today - just a few miles further down the coast from Huttoft Bank. We parked in Trunch Lane which leads to the beach. At the end of Trunch Lane there are public toilets which are usually used by people holidaymaking on the beach. Not today. Everyone was complaining. The toilets are closed and there are notices to say that the reason they are closed is because of 'water theft, toilet roll theft and general vandalism'. A few yards from the toilets is a small area of land - I believe it was previously the car park to a restaurant that is now closed. Parked there are several elderly motorhomes. Coincidence?
 

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Good job the gipsys were not within 100 miles we could have blamed them, after all they do have a reputation to live up to don't they?

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back of pleasure island Cleethorpes will be the next trouble spot..certain people are taking the pxss..one maybe two nights and then move on..
but no,they'll spoil it for all....
 

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Cant believe all this fuss, who wants to stay in the Skegness area...BUSBY...:rolleyes:
Just spent a week in Skeggie playing in the EBF bowls finals . We stayed in our van at North Shore touring park and cycled to the bowls greens every morning via the large car park at the end of the funfair . For the first 4/5 days there were approx. 25 motorhomes obviously parked up and the place was a tip with rubbish blowing everywhere and youngsters from the vans running everywhere . I was told they were there for a wedding and most were Irish . On Wednesday the car park was empty and the council had a gang of men and 2 large lorries clearing up the mess plus metal barriers had been installed and security guards at the entrance, now who pays for this ? . It did end up affecting me as on the Saturday we usually check out of the site and park in the motorhome area of this carpark for a fee to watch the finals , we were refused entry and when asking the guard where we could park he replied " not in Skegness".
So as a motorhomer who chooses to go on sites and pay my way i have been classed as a pikie/freeloader by association.
Plus i also saw where the tanks had been emptied -disgusting
I realise that i might not have all the facts only what i saw with my own eyes
 

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East Lindsey Council have created a special page Broken Link Removed on their web site to explain why motorhome parking is now restricted within Skegness.

Another example of the adverse effect that "traveller" legislation has on the population as a whole and the councils which have the thankless task of administering it. Indeed, in this case, there is little ELDC can do because "traveller" legislation is actually dealt with by the county council so ELDC is basically in the same position as any private landowner who has to go through the rigmarole of applying for a court order.
 
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Of course if local councils took the issue seriously and provided some hard standing not necessarily free, there may not be quite so many motorhomes visiting France, Germany and Spain.
We would certainly enjoy our own country more, the prices many UK sites want is just off putting in the extreme so we spend our money where we get best value.

But they cannot do anything about the weather...BUSBY:D:D

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Charging ÂŁx for 2 nights, what's that all about, if the council charge to raise income what's the point in restricting the number of nights, that just reduces income so seems a self defeating argument.
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If they did not have a time limit no one else would get the chance to use the facilities..camping sites are for long term stays...Works well in France and Germany...BUSBY
 
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Good job the gipsys were not within 100 miles we could have blamed them, after all they do have a reputation to live up to don't they?

You mean TRAVELLERS i think....(where do they get that name from) BUSBY:):):)

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